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I have no idea. But what the old timer told me certainly makes sense since there was a dance hall in the middle of nowhere. Maybe they wanted it to be within reach of the those gents in both Superior and Globe that would avail themselves of such service. Maybe trophyhunter might know, eh? 😉 Before permits came about, my regular spot to hunt javelina in '60s was Pinto Creek a few miles past the mine. It was always productive.

I knew it would be too easy. 🤬 Top-of-the -World was the name of the dance hall. Now, many years ago an old timer told me that the building on the right with all the doors facing the road was once a brothel. But none of the searching I did for an hour turned up anything.

NO!!! Millionaire from CA

At the time he killed the bull, there were two different rumors going around. I don't know if either of them had anything to do with B&C's decision. This is an excerpt from the Hunting Report: ….The lucky hunter, Mark (sic) Shipsey, says his hunt was paid for by Hunting Report subscriber Shirley Hayward, who grew interested in the San Carlos hunt after she read our reports about the elk potential there. Since Hayward paid for the hunt, she is owner of the trophy, Shipsey said at press time..... Interestingly, San Carlos Reservation has never been as highly regarded by hunters as the adjacent White Mountain Apache Reservation. In fact, interest in San Carlos has been so slight of late that Hayward was able to pick up the Shipsey hunt for only $20,000. That’s half the stated minimum price of hunts in the Dry Lake Area. Asked why the hunt was sold so cheaply, Tribal Biologist Cecil Brown said there had simply not been enough demand for the hunt to sell it in the prescribed manner – that is, to the highest bidder above $40,000. “We were halfway through the season and the hunt hadn’t been sold. She offered $20,000 and we took it,” Brown said. And below is another excerpt from a magazine article. The incident took place in the 1980s. The unscrupulous will stop at little to obtain this prize. One of the worst incidents occurred two decades ago near a campground parking lot at the Columbia Icefield in Jasper National Park, where Michael Shipsey, a millionaire hunter from California, shot a trophy ram on the highway with a pistol while his Canadian guide fed the sheep bread crusts. The guide was apprehended, spent 75 days in jail and paid a $5,000 fine. He lost his guiding licence and his hunting territory in British Columbia. In an international investigation coordinated by Jasper park warden John Steele, Shipsey was convicted in the United States on seven counts involving illegally killed game. He received a $14,000 (U.S.) fine, 40 days in jail and five years’ probation.

It's been a while since I did that article, so I can't recall if the photo was provided to me by Amanda (she was the SCR biologist at the time) or by Bradley Joe, Shipsey's guide.

FISHING REPORT Nov. 15, 2019 Arizona Game and Fish Department TIP OF THE WEEK The transition period from the fall activity patterns to the winter ones is coming soon. Fish should begin edging deep and as the water cools, their metabolism slows down. Bass can still be found chasing shad at the surface at times, but for most lakes, expect top-water action to be sporadic (but worthwhile). Go target bass while water temperatures are inside a range that enables these game fish to chase bait fish – there’s only a few weeks left. Rainbow trout are scheduled to return to CFP waters this week. Time to get friends and family and catch trout at a lake or pond near you. See the stocking schedule. With a cold front scheduled to hit the high country around Wednesday of next week, this is the time to hit the high country before winter conditions prevail. See this week's stockings below -- the Tucson region just received a bunch of trout. A reminder that due to operational issues at Page Springs Fish Hatchery, scheduled trout stockings are being adjusted. Our goal is to have the hatchery back to operating at full capacity by Dec. 1. For questions or more information, please email BFishing@azgfd.gov Some other highlights: Jigging spoons, or dropping nightcrawlers, for yellow bass in the Salt River-chain lakes will be a good option as these fish head into deeper water. Dead Horse Ranch State Park lagoons are hot for trout, and the bite remains good at Ashurst, where there reportedly is good water quality. See reports from this region. Crappie fishing is reportedly picking up at Roosevelt and Bartlett lakes. Arizona State Parks to close Alamo Lake main boat ramp Jan. 2 Arizona State Parks now plans to close the main boat ramp at Alamo Lake Jan. 2 until further notice. Date is subject to change. Cholla Ramp will remain open and is fully functional. ASP had initially planned the closure for Nov. 1-25 to allow for dam repairs. Catch of the Week Send your fishing reports and photos to BFishing@azgfd.gov -- one will be selected for Catch of the Week Lake Havasu Carol Eake of Neenah, Wisconsin caught this 4.42-pound redear sunfish (16 5/8-inch girth) Nov. 3 on a live nightcrawler. What's been stocked this week ("Catchable" sizes only; water temp in parenthesis if available) Rainbow trout: Cluff Reservoir 3, Roper Lake, Dankworth Ponds, Parker Canyon Lake, Patagonia Lake. Upcoming Family Fishing Events Saturday, Nov. 23 -- Dads: Bring Your Daughter Fishing Day!, 8 a.m.-noon. Sahuarita Lake (south side of lake) 15466 S. Rancho Sahuarita Blvd. Sahuarita, AZ 85629 More info: Calling all Dads! Grab your daughters and join the Arizona Game and Fish Department for a morning of family fishing fun. Even if you are new to fishing, AZGFD still encourages you to come on out for this event. The Arizona Game and Fish Department will be providing loaner rods and bait for this event (or you may bring your own). Dads, this is a family event, so bring your whole family out to enjoy free fishing and instruction from AZGFD Sport Fishing Education Staff and volunteers! Door Prizes will be given away and Youth Licenses will be given away to the first 100 youth participants to sign up for the event thanks to the generous donation from the GVR Hunting & Fishing Club! The event is open to all ages. Fishing licenses are not required, during the planned hours of the event, for those who register at the Game & Fish Booth. For more information please contact the Sport Fishing Education Program at (623) 236-7240. Thank you, anglers! Arizona fishing opportunities wouldn’t be possible without the Sport Fish Restoration Program. It was created through the Dingell-Johnson Act of 1950 (Federal Aid in Sport Fish Restoration Act) and the Wallop-Breaux amendments of 1984. Through a federal excise tax paid by manufacturers on fishing gear and motorboat fuels, it provides grant funds for fishery conservation, boating access, and aquatic education. Save time, buy online Grab a license online (that helps conserve all species of wildlife, not to mention provides funding that goes back into fishing opportunities) an

The wallaby in the field... These are another of NZ's pest species -- opossums. They come in various colors. Like the wallabies, we hunted them at night with spotlights. This is the country where the wallabies hang out. They live in the cuts during the day and hit the fields at dark.

I was sorting through some tear sheets and came across this one of Mike Shipsey's bull that was used in the article I did on it.

The first four photos that I sold to Field & Stream in the 1960s included one of a bull elk with three antlers, which they later published.

I called Judge John Barclay for his legal opinion since he dealt with G&F cases for 20+ years.. I started to lay out the hypothetical and didn't even get past the part about glassing from the wrong unit into the right one, before he interrupted me with, "Technically, he is hunting in the wrong unit. He would be cited if a game warden shows up, and I would find him guilty." I eventually finished the whole thing with the shooting. One point he raised was possibly having to explain to the warden that the hunter hadn't shot the deer in the wrong unit, and it ran into the right unit, where it died. I told him the commissioner said it's legal. He said, "Good. He can pay the guy's fine." Now, I'm done beating this dead horse. 😉

And....we have a winner! Wallabies are considered a pest species in NZ, akin to our coyote. The farmers hate them because they come out of hiding at night and feed on the crops. I wouldn't want to do battle with one because the nails on those three toes would cut like a razor. I'll see if I can find an in-the-field photo. The mount was done by Marc Plunkett. It's no longer on the table, however, The bobcat/snake sits there now and the wallaby is atop the left side of the entertainment center.

Here you go.....

Is the coyote with the quail in its mouth in this image the "dingo?" Other than the bobcat rug on the wall next to the alcove above, I don't see any with a cat's back in it. So be more specific on the photo description, like what else is in it.

All of the bold words are in the definition. not much ambiguity associated with shooting. 20. "Take" means pursuing, shooting, hunting, fishing, trapping, killing, capturing, snaring or netting wildlife or placing or using any net or other device or trap in a manner that may result in capturing or killing wildlife.

My reply immediately above was in reference to the sentence in the quoted part from you above that. NOWHERE is any message did I ever state what you outlined in it as in "...it is okay to shoot animal in the wrong unit …" My interpretation throughout this thread has been consistent -- all hunting, pursuing, glassing, shooting, killing must be done within the boundaries of the unit on the hunter's permit for the LEGAL TAKING of a game animal. I "see" the scenario from both sides of the fence. I just don't agree with the conclusion of one of them. Obviously, my interpretation is different than that of the commissioner you spoke to, and it will remain so because I believe it's illegal and will result in a probable citation and a trip to court. Now, if you would like yet another opinion, I can call my friend who was the judge handling AGFD cases for the Northwest Phoenix Justice Court for many years until his retirement in 2000 and ask him for his interpretation of the laws/rules as written in the regs.

Amazing, eh? 😉 Years ago, I hunted near Truro, Novia Scotia. A place in town was holding a big buck contest and had a sign board outside with the heaviest weights listed on it. If I recall, the top five were all over 300 lbs. field dressed. I passed on a couple small antlered ones, and on the last day the gal cook asked me to shoot her a doe for the pot if I didn't see a good buck. So I did. Field dressed, it weighed 172 lbs. on a good digital scale.

I'm also surprised no one asked about that critter. Of course, I have no way of knowing, but it might be the only mounted one in the country. 😄

It would be a real chore for me, Andrew. I'm on oxygen 24/7, using a large electric concentrator at home and small portable tanks when I'm out and about. The latter last only a couple hours. Thus, I would need to haul a bunch of them wherever I go.

Have no idea what the heck you're talking about. Do you? In the meantime, read this again and take note of ALL the bold words. 20. "Take" means pursuing, shooting, hunting, fishing, trapping, killing, capturing, snaring or netting wildlife or placing or using any net or other device or trap in a manner that may result in capturing or killing wildlife.

Wow. Looks like it will be along time before that road is passable again -- if ever.

The above is bit confusing without more specifics. If you mean that the hunter is in his correct unit and the animal also crosses into that correct unit, it would be legal because both hunter and the animal are within the legal boundaries of the unit as set forth in the regs for the permit he is carrying. The act of glassing by itself is not illegal since he is in the correct unit and has done nothing outside his unit to pursue the animal. Let's see if I can put a bit more clarity to this. Every permit shows the season dates, hunt # and unit #. They are there for a reason. Within the regs, there are maps and descriptions of the unit and boundaries of that unit where the taking of the target game is legal for the person who has the permit. He is bound by AGFD rule (legally) to adhere to those boundaries and legal method of take in the regs for that season. Once again, to those ends, AGFD has defined take as pursuing, shooting, hunting, fishing, trapping, killing, capturing ... wildlife...…...etc. So anything the permit holder does in his attempt to take the target animal must be done within the unit boundaries. Now, I'm done with this topic since there's nothing else for me to add.

Yes, it does say that. If his permit is for one unit, he is hunting (glassing), pursuing and shooting from a different unit. The only thing he's doing in the right unit is killing. He would also be charged with possession of illegally "taken" wildlife.

As per the regs, which outline the legal taking of wildlife: 20. "Take" means pursuing, shooting, hunting, fishing, trapping, killing, capturing, snaring or netting wildlife or placing or using any net or other device or trap in a manner that may result in capturing or killing wildlife. So this scenario amounts to the illegal "taking" of a game animal under both pursuing and shooting in a unit your permit doesn't include.

GAME AND FISH NEWS Nov. 12, 2019 AZGFD to host game management "open house" Nov. 21 in Prescott PRESCOTT, Ariz. — A wildlife biologist from the Arizona Game and Fish Department (AZGFD) will be available to answer questions about local game management from 6 to 8 p.m. Nov. 21 at Sportsman’s Warehouse, 1761 E. Highway 69, No. 26, in Prescott. The public is invited to bring questions and engage in one-on-one conversation about game management in the Prescott area. In addition, hunt recommendations for the 2020 and 2021 elk, pronghorn and turkey seasons may be discussed. AZGFD has trust responsibility for managing more than 800 native wildlife species — the most of any inland state — for current and future generations of Arizona citizens. More information: www.azgfd.com/Hunting/NAM/.

GAME AND FISH NEWS Nov. 12, 2019 More than 6,000 permit-tags remain for 2020 spring hunts PHOENIX — Arizona hunters who were unsuccessful in the recent 2020 spring draw still have an opportunity to receive a hunt permit-tag for javelina or turkey. The Arizona Game and Fish Department has posted a list of leftover hunt permit-tags on its website at www.azgfd.com/Hunting/Draw/. A total of 6,097 leftover hunt permit-tags are available for the following hunts: 2,018 general javelina 2,032 archery-only javelina 1,699 handgun, archery or muzzleloader (HAM) javelina 235 youth-only javelina 99 general turkey 14 youth-only turkey Hunters can apply on a “first come, first served” basis one of two ways: Beginning at 8 a.m. Monday, Nov. 18, paper applications will be accepted — by mail only. Mail completed applications to: Arizona Game and Fish Department, Attn.: Draw/First Come, 5000 W. Carefree Highway, Phoenix, AZ 85086. Allow 10 to 15 business days to receive a hunt permit-tag by mail. Beginning at 8 a.m. Monday, Nov. 25, completed paper applications can be brought to any department office statewide, at which time a hunt permit-tag will be issued “over the counter.” For more information, including license and hunt permit-tag requirements, legal methods of take, and bag limits, view the “2020 Spring Turkey, Javelina, Bison and Bear Hunt Draw Information” booklet online, or call (602) 942-3000.