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  1. 7 hours ago, Coues247 said:

    I put in for several other states including California so does that mean I support the way California manages their wildlife and I would also like AZ to manage it the same way? I can participate in activities available in other states that they have already implemented without wanting the same in AZ. GTF outta here with ridiculous comparisons like that. 

    He clearly has a vested interest in landowner tags. He also states "facts" that are not real. 

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  2. 56 minutes ago, stillatmaxpoints said:

    Man and Wildlife in Arizona

    The American Exploration Period 1824-1865

    By Goode P Davis JR  G&F used to sell this book. 

    This book is in the words of the people that explored Arizona, There were no elk in Arizona at that time except the Merrians elk in the white mountains where there was year round live water.. The party that crossed the Coconino plateau first almost starved no water no wildlife, finally they  did find a Grizzly on Mt Hope and killed him for food.

    the development of stock tanks by ranchers in the late 1800's until present times expanded the wildlife range immensely, many of the ranchers i know leave there waters on for wildlife even if they do not have cattle in those pastures at different times of the year. 

    You should read that book.

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  3. 14 hours ago, stillatmaxpoints said:

    The landowner does not own the game animal but they do supply water and browse and grazing for wildlife, water is the key, most of the units in northern Az especially the coconino plateau was devoid of water and wildlife in the 1800's until the ranching ventures developed waters for livestock, early explorers verify that.

    That make zero sense. Where do you get your information? 


  4. 20 minutes ago, Explorer said:

    How about 20 years ago when the ranchers wanted all the elk gone in the multi unit areas of 17, 18 and 19. " Get these elk out of our ranches they are ruining cattle grazing" fast forward a few years and maybe one ranch still gives you access to hunt these " invading creatures". Guides moved in and now you gotta pay? I say break down the units. Only issue 15 tags in 18b to give a big middle finger to the Bacca. And let the elk herd grow into a stable ,huntable population for us to enjoy.

    Ran into this when my wife had that tag. I was told which ranches would give permission due to winter wheat crop damage. Turns out a guide had swooped in and they all told us to talk to him. He wanted a $500 fee just for us to gain access and hunt on our own. Landowner tags will ruin hunting even more.

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  5. Had a great hunt this year. On the drive down Thursday I was telling the wife how much I really wanted to kill a buck. The last several years I have been helping more than hunting.  When I glassed up this buck she refused to shoot first. One shot and he was down. A few minutes later I got on the 15s to make sure he was still down and a bigger buck was standing 10ft away.  She missed but it was still a great time with family and friends.  

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