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Did you ever see those letters or emails? I never did. Did they ever read them? We have no idea because there is no accountability. Any time that we can get a small portion of our tax dollars back from the black hole (feds) then that is a good thing. Above all guys lets remember that we are all hunters here. If we don't support each other then we can kiss all of our opportunities goodbye. Guns, tags, forests there are people out there who want to take all of it. We have got to find a way not to kick the chair out from under each other all the time.

The problem Game and Fish would never know if hunters supported it or not, because they didn't bother to ask outside of a formality required by their legislation. No survey, no request for input, no research. Just a handful of guys limited to 3 minutes each while the commission ate its lunch prior to passing their pre-determined unanimous vote. I'm pretty sure there were 30 days where you could write letters send e-mails, ect. ID allows baiting for some species. I used to live there and have a life time license. According to Idaho law, the use of bait to hunt or take big game animals other than black bear is unlawful. Bait is defined as any substance placed to attract big game animals, except liquid scent for deer and elk. The use of salt placed to attract elk or deer for hunting is considered bait and is illegal. Hunting over salt placed by someone else, for instance, as part of a livestock operation, is also illegal. Hope all you were hunting were bears on bait Any time that we can get a small portion of our tax dollars back from the black hole (feds) then that is a good thing. Be careful, those Fed $ come with some major strings attached ie Mexican Wolf Recovery Program Every wildlife agency in this country survives by federally matched funds Above all guys lets remember that we are all hunters here. If we don't support each other then we can kiss all of our opportunities goodbye. Guns, tags, forests there are people out there who want to take all of it. We have got to find a way not to kick the chair out from under each other all the time.

Wish I was when I have run into WM's in the field and had a civil conversation it seems they have a pretty cool job, as for waisting tax dollars the G&F don't recieve any of your az tax dolllars, seems to me you shouldn't be waisting time posting on this site and you had better hurry and sit your bait site seems time is about to run out on that.

How did you feel when the G&F decided to change the rule on using aircraft. I hate to admit it but it truly didn't break my heart when they changed the rule. I know this probably screwed some hunters and the way they chose to hunt but i for one don't miss the fact you can't use airplanes to locate game during the hunt.

The 20% pass is they(AZGF) set aside 20% of tags for each hunt to those with the highest bonus pts., they do this draw first and look at your 1st and 2nd choices. Your random number wasn't low enough in bonus pass for the available tags so it looked at your 2nd choice where there were still tags. Once the 20% pass is done you are given a new random number and the draw does the 2nd phase where they look at your 1st and 2nd choices. If you had only put 1 choice you would have gotten your first choice, you would have not gotten your tag in the 20% pass but would have gotten it in the 2nd phase of the draw. If your concerned about the number of tags given out call the AZGFD and ask them if you can speak to someone in the draw and ask why your permit number is higher than the original number of permits.

AZGFD banned baiting they are the scum of the earth lets go to another state. Guess what cant hunt Co., NM, Ca, Id. Mont. Go to TX. if you have some property or money. You can try Ut. but they give a huge amount of their tags to SFW. go back east just be careful you may get some tainted CWD meat

ASU 3-1 con., U of A 3-1 con.

Coach, did you ever think that maybe just maybe the majority of hunters are for the ban and maybe the handful of priveledged decision makers you speak of spoke for the majority. this is a great site with good people but it is a very very small representation of az hunters could just be that most hunters in this state don't agree with the views and opinions of those on this site. 190000 plus license holders 6000 or so members.

its called the 20% pass, your first choice filled its 20% so it went to your 2nd choice where you drew a tag in that 20%. the draw then went to the 2nd phase where it looks at 1st and 2nd choices, guess what not all tags were picked. next it went to the 3rd phase of draw, 3rd,4th, &5th choices, guess what not all tags alloted for that hunt were picked so they went to leftovers. for years now there have been thousands of pig tags unsold by the time the hunts start and end. due to the rules pig bag limit was 1 pig a yr. was money being lost ,you bet, heres a kicker maybe do to the fact that thousands of tags were going unused posssibly harvest goals werent being met. what do you do raise the tag numbers for next year, makes sense you cant sell the lower tag numbers. heres an idea change the bag limit. make the money you should be getting, maybe meet harvest objectives and heres the drawback more opportunity to hunt pigs that really sucks.

Wow can you believe the AZGFD banned baiting this state now ranks right up there with the other 28 other states that dont allow baiting. It seems there are a few members that are disgusted with this outcome and thinks the AZGFD hates hunters and couldn't care less what hunters think. Heres one for you, maybe just maybe most Az hunters agree with the ban. I'm going to go out on a limb and bet that when the tag grab fiasco was occurring that the majority of Az hunters were very suppportive of squashing any attempt to steal tags from what many people felt were the average joes and the departmnet was made very aware of how most felt about it. I'm going to go out on another limb and bet that if most hunters in this state felt the same way about baiting as they did about the tag grab the ban on baiting wouldnt have happened.

Cats out of lives, suffer first loss

have you tried www.onyourownadventures.com i think you can watch the past episodes if you click on videos

Zim....In their last issue, Huntin Fool is saying all the Unit 1 archery tags went to applicants with at least 11 points last year (2012). According to Hunters Trailhead, at 11 points nonresident applicants have drawn in the max point pool (20% pass) every year for the past 5 years. The draw odds have ranged from 8% to 67%. HT says the odds were 21% in 2012. There is apparently a report available at AZF&G, that the outfitters have access to, that specifically breaks out the nonresident odds. I wish I could get my hands on a copy. call the G&F and ask for the info There is a thing called Freedom of information act, you may have to pay for the info though

SNEEKEE1, Season for Tassel-eared tree squirrel in 33 goes from Sept. 1 2012 thru May 31 2013 so you still have plenty of time.

If I were you i would head to another unit to chase mule deer, 34A isn't open in Dec.

It will be interesting to see what changes WY has in their draw, pretty good chance the regular price antelope will cost the NR about 370 for tag plus app fee going up

Don't want to sound like a smart a$$ but it happens on this site all the time

If i was a betting man I would bet that the G&F is working on their Notice of Final Rulemaking

The rulemaking process: Notice of Rulemaking Docket Opening: SOS publishes the Commission’s Notice in the Arizona Administrative Register (AAR) to notify the public that the Commission is considering amending its rules. Notice of Proposed Rulemaking: SOS publishes the Commission’s Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in the AAR to provide the public with the actual proposed additions, deletions, or changes to the Commission’s rules. Comment periods: The public has three opportunities in which to submit comments to the Commission: 1). Any time. Comments received by the Department are placed in the rule record and will be considered by the next review or Rulemaking team. 2). During the thirty (30) day public comment period immediately following the publication of the proposed rules in the AAR. Once a proposed rule is published, the public has at least thirty (30) days to submit comments to the Department concerning the rule. 3). At a Commission Meeting. A blue 'speaker slip' is required and are available to the public at each Commission Meeting. Note: Comments are statements, suggested rule language, data, views, or other observations submitted to the Department in regards to an existing or proposed rule. Comments submitted during the official 30-day public comment period for a particular rulemaking will become part of the official record for that proposed rulemaking. Notice of Final Rulemaking: The Department drafts a Notice of Final Rulemaking after considering comments and other information received during the comment period. The Department must determine whether the suggestions received meet the Department’s mission and objectives, do not place an undue burden on the regulated community, are not discriminatory, and are permitted under statute. Submittal to Governor’s Regulatory Review Council: The Department submits the final rulemaking to GRRC. GRRC reviews the rulemaking to ensure that the rules are necessary, consistent with legislative intent, within the agency's statutory authority, do not create an adverse impact on the public, and whether the benefits of the rule outweigh the costs. Approval by GRRC: When GRRC determines that the rulemaking meets the statutory criteria identified above, GRRC will approve and file the final rulemaking with SOS. Effective date: Typically, the effective date of the rule is sixty (60) days from the date of filing. However, the Commission may request an immediate or specific effective date when authorized by statute, specified in the rulemaking preamble, and approved by GRRC. Codification: SOS publishes final rulemakings in the Arizona Administrative Code (Code). The Code is the official compilation of rules that govern state agencies, boards, and commissions; the paper copy of the Code serves as the official version. SOS is required to publish updates to the Code four times a year. As a result, the Code may not contain the most recent Game and Fish rules. The Rule Changes page provides Commission rules approved by GRRC, but not yet included in the Code.

its not against the law yet

i also heard shot from the road during Oct. hunt but heard it was 36B

that won't even be legal here do to the baiting ban and would that possibly be considered a leg hold trap

yes if a non-resident puts in with a resident the resident will be limited to the 10% cap unless the non-resident used to be a resident and bought a lifetime lic. before moving, if thats the case then you can put in with a non-resident and the application will be treated as a resident app.

I'm curiuos as to what everyones opinion is to why is road hunting illegal?

in the past shotguns weren't a legal method of take, however you can now use a shotgun shooting shot or slugs to legally harvest mountain lions