HuntHarder

I never knew about that note #7 either. Good to know for the future. Has this always been the case, or is this something new?

So that's your beef? IF they said fair chase from the start, you would support it? Doubtful

You pretty much described why I think they should be limited or banned. They offer a HUGE advantage. Doubling, if not more, the amount of area a guy can scout with not that much time in the field. Guides are included. The ones that use them, can cover a whole bunch more areas with less $$ and time in the field. You spending a week in the field costs more money than leaving 5 cameras in the field for a week. Lets make hunting great again!

Good luck...

Yeah, pretty sure Josiah is showing his true colors and trolling. Just no hope with that guy unfortunately. A Spade is a spade.

Wait... outfitters don't want trail cams? Lol. Explain

LOL... BFD

OTC non-res tags going to a draw would be a great start. I see that actually happening in the next 5-10 years. I also see resident OTC tags going more to a draw as well. The resource keeps getting smaller and the demand keeps climbing. The decline of hunters talk doesn't add up. More applicants each year, but the amount of new hunters declining? Shenannigans

With trail cameras, I feel like we are giving back to ourselves. Making hunting SLIGHTLY more like hunting used to be. Giving the animals a little bit more elusiveness back. I mean, does Agfd stand to gain anything from banning cameras? Who do you think we are giving to by limiting trail cameras?

Him being a guide has NOTHING to do with his attitude or motives imo. He is just too self serving and arrogant for my taste, but enough about guys that do not have anything constructive to add to this discussion. I also do not subscribe to the give nothing when it comes to my 2A. With anything in life, there has to be restrictions, or shoot will get out of hand FAST.

Can't say I disagree with much you just said except that I am for the limitation or ban. I think you are correct that they are taking some mis-steps in how they are approaching this. I feel like what they are trying to accomplish is something that will better our hunting tho in the long run. Their end goal is banning or limiting trail cameras, the process in which they are doing it could be better. I do like that they finally just said it is a fair chase issue tho. The problem is, no matter how they present it, there will always be guys who will give nothing. The kind of guy that is in it for himself only and can not see the big picture. The fear mongers that immerge and use false arguments are no better than the people they are bashing. All anyone can do is voice their support or opposition and let the chips fall. Sooner or later, hunting will be so far gone that it will not be enjoyable any more.

Lol, that moment when you think you have a mob behind you, only to find out your the only one streaking down the street. Being upset about a perceived delay in cc charging is something I'd expect from the newer entitled generation. You look far too old in your picture to fall into that category. Give it a rest Frank the tank.

"Gladly"??

Congrats, now go change that tampon and enjoy your hunt.

IMO, this has never been about guides vs. hunters. Some guides, with bad intentions, will try to scare you into thinking that, but it's not the case. I think it is more about doing something, anything, to try and conserve our resource. Technology is constantly evolving and in order to keep our numbers where they need to be or keep hunting what it used to be, limitations need to happen. I do not think anyone would argue that there have been numerous advances in technology that has contributed to more animals being taken or wounded. Long range guns, long range bows, rangefinder, camo, gps, 15's, SxS's, quads, the list is endless. Trail cameras fall on that list too. Something needs to happen or hunting is going to continue on it's current course. The art of hunting is lost in many people. I see no problem with giving up my trail cameras, as a small concession, to start letting the animals get a little leg up on us. The reason I do not mind trail cameras leaving is simply, I have seen how much they can benefit me and others. We literally hunt stands and or blinds because of what is showing up on cameras. For anyone who runs cameras to disagree with that statement, they are not being honest with themselves. With trail cameras, you do not even need to be in the woods to gather very useful information for your upcoming hunt. heck, you can be hunting 10 miles away and at night go check a camera on the other side of the unit and then change your plans for the next day. One might say that a hunter can get just as much or more info from a trail camera than they could get from flying in an airplane or parachute plane. We can debate for days on which new technology has had the biggest impact, but that really comes down to opinion unless 5 or 10 year studies are conducted. The fact that some guys are willing to give up nothing and continue to watch hunting get shittier and shittier each year, boggles my mind. I would happily give up other new advances if it means better hunting down the road or less conflicts in the field. The fear mongers and the hardcore "I give nothing up" guys are the biggest threat. It is only a matter of time before someone comes out with another technological advance that makes hunting even easier. At some point, we need to not be so self centered and look at the big picture. Why they chose Game cameras is a decision they made. I simply agree that they need to limit them or completely ban them. AGFD should get the forest service and BLM on board and make this happen. Again, just my opinion. At any rate, I ask all to contact your commissioner and let them know your feelings on this issue. Do not let me or a loud mouth, arrogant guide, tell you how to think. https://www.azgfd.com/agency/commission/members/contact-commissioner3/ https://www.azgfd.com/agency/commission/members/contact-commissioner/ https://www.azgfd.com/agency/commission/members/contact-commissioner4 https://www.azgfd.com/agency/commission/members/contact-commissioner1/ https://www.azgfd.com/agency/commission/members/contact-commissioner2/

Guess the last season on my trail cameras will be for somebody else's tag. 😛

Nice! Your responses on this thread are solid! You sound like a real stand up guy with some common sense. I appreciate that after hearing other guides on here seem so arrogant and ignorant.

Desert guide, what is the name of your guiding outfit?

Best thing we can do is just keep letting these guides comment on the issue. They literally are making Agfd's case for them. Sir royal just admitted that he found that giant bull because of his trail cameras. Also admitted its all about inches with him. Bragging about helping with the #2 muzzy bull and throwing out the score. Guys' freely admitting that a ban will hurt the the average guy more than guides because they won't have as much time to get in the field. AGFD is saying that exact statement. Trail Cameras make scouting and hunting EASIER and require less time in the field. Setting cameras and learning an animals'habits takes 0 hunting skills which is exactly what fair chase is all about.

Another comment period will be opened today by Agfd. Those in favor or not in favor of restricting trail camera usage, please send your comments in to the commissioners. Stay tuned..🤣

I agree with you 100%

How should they word it to make it enforceable in your eyes?

Sad....

dang it!! Thought for sure I had it. FML

lmfao. I mean, we are talking lower than last night's homo/ no homo argument low.