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Groups of 3 or 5? What's the 6th group going to tell you that the first group didn't? Consistency

No need to get ruffled, I started this thread to allow discussion on the topic. It was surprising to me how polarizing this issue was. I know before you mentioned that there was conflicting data on this? You mentioned some statistics there, can you share your sources? I really do want to understand the topic better and do my part as a hunter to conserve our ecosystems. It seems that sources like huntfortruth.org think that this research was put forth by econazis intent on banning hunting. Thats why the podcast with Newberg was so enlightening. I would have otherwise never guessed that the Peregrine Fund was established by hunters and was a partner organization to AES, MDF, etc. I have learned a lot in the past few weeks and I am happy to say that endeavor started here. We can use CWT to facilitate conservation if we can just stop griping with each other. So no more hunting or shooting lead .22 or shot shells for you? I dont know about no more, but I certainly will change some habits. With our first rifle Kaibab hunt in the family coming up this year I will definitely either shoot copper or commit to taking the carcass out whole. Its a doe hunt, so pack out isnt as big of a concern. When I shoot gophers in MT I wont leave them out on logs for birds to eat. In all of this I havent read or heard anything about target shooting, so probably wont change that. As far as other big game, I dont do a lot of rifle hunting but when I do, I will consider alternatives to lead. My son had a 12 b tag and his grand father had given him his custom springfield 1903 3006 spr. right before he passed away. That rifle will not shoot copper bullets, but it loves 150 gr accubonds so we brought heavy contractor bags and I put the entire gut pile in it and hauled it off, we didnt leave anything for the condors.

You need to shoot 5 to 6 consecutive groups not one group.

Which scope did you settle on? Its a Zeiss 4 x 16 x 44 ZBR. The glass is good, the turrets are solid, the marks line up and you can feel the clicks as you dial (very solid) you wont need to look at them. It was a demo for $650 retail is 1000. I read every review out and none were negitive. https://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/zeiss-conquest-v4-riflescope-field-test-and-review-4-16x44-zbr-moa-6-24x50-illuminated-zmoa.1199/

Now that Im done with school I have time to set up my rifle. Finally found a scope, the seekins base and Hawkins rings are next. I also found 5 boxs of factory ammo all the same die lot for half price to breakin the barrel and give me a good supply of brass.

Just a free bump for a nice 311. If it were a 20 ga. we would have something to talk about.

Did you sell your 311 yet?

S & W M & P FDE M 2.0 5 INCH BARREL NO SAFETY 9MM $400 FIRM Its brand new I shot it and the sights were very low so I sent it back S&W they put new sights on it now it shoots to point of aim ( Factory target ) BOX PAPERS ETC. You will need a CCW/Drivers lic.

Yep if it was a 20 ga. I would be 300 dollars poorer. Good luck with your sale. Thats a nice one!

***SPF*** to Hunterjohnny

Wish that was a 20 ga. How are the barrels choked?

8 INCHES.

Still for sale!

Headed up tomorrow if anyone wants some help getting one of these rifles?

I bought my son one for his B-day and it also had ejection issues, ended up putting a new barrel on it problem solved.

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NO COTTON! Have you heard the statement "cotton kills" I put cotton in the same class as Vortex

I have enough handguns so I selling this one to help fund a scope for my 280AI. The 2.0 really fits my hand well since they added the med/large grip. I also have the new compact 2.0.

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Where can you donate goods to be auctioned off?

I have two rifles in my house that love Barnes ammo, and never had any problems. But all the ammo I have is one to two years old. What caliber was he shooting?

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Still for sale!

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I have a pay pal account but you will have to pick up the fees.