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Updated post again - because I can’t read,type or measure. Beretta is 28” extractors Weatherby is 26” ejectors.

I'm guessing it's on those things that if I have a doe goat permit in wy or doe deer permit in the midwest and I already killed by buck - I'd hunt with this but hard for me to say I'd definitely use this for my 'primary' hunt knowing everything else I have. But as you said, from everything I'm hearing and reading, it will do the trick up to bear without hesitation. But not my intent by any means.

I keep waffling back and forth but leaning creedmore I guess, I think, I'm pretty almost sure...

Yeah, that is one of them I read.. ty

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That's cool. I remember there used to be an archery season down there too (guys shot recurves at them). I had no idea it opened to the dove season. Very cool - congrats!

That is great to know - TY!

Only thing I'd say - I think impossible to go after them - all hippa protected and nothing you can do since they were all legally following the lapse rule. Only thing they can do, is tighten the rules. Maybe the pendulum swings back a bit on the need for annual qualifications - who knows. What I do believe, is something had to happen to get back to the intent and mitigate some of the abuse.

and these are the guys that are representing Az, qualifying to be guides and uphold the rule, laws and ethics. I would love to see Az come down harder on guides. You had your chance to represent the commission and failed - life time guide license ban at minimum.

I will say, I'm guessing all of the summer pressure has to have something to do with it.. those animals are pushed back and moved daily it seems all summer long. Back in the day, it seemed that 2nd week was always lit up (combination of less woods traffic and later in Sept). But maybe that is just nostalgia. Now it seems 100% hit or miss.

I was lucky enough to draw bull tags in the same unit in '20, '21 and '23 and my son drew in '22 and all 4 years the rut activity was quite different. '20 seemed to get better as the season went on although pockets of activity from the get go and then shut down and then kick back up and then shut down. '21 was just insane from the start and never stopped. '22 was a wet year and every storm seemed to shut them down but they would start back up after a day or two of dry weather and '23, it just got continually worse and worse with similar reports all over the unit. '22 was the latest in terms of calendar year and we kept thinking it would get better and better like '21 but it just got worse with every storm. I have tried to understand weather, temperature, moon phase, calendar etc on what kicks them in gear and every time I think I have it figured it out - they prove me wrong. I guess they are ready when they are ready.

With all due respect - I'm still confused about how this unduly effects the disabled hunting community. All the same equipment is available (besides magnified scopes right?). Just requires a MD vs anyone with a pen. Is it more difficult to get that appt, I'm sure but I see my md annually, I would guess I could get the signature each year then if I had the need for it. Maybe I'm missing something. In terms of the units turning to draw - that is as much as a populous problem as anything in my book. The woods if full from April through Sept like never before. In terms of who brought this up to the commission - I don't know but I do know I have talked to around a dozen different G&F LEOs in the last 3-4 years (most of the time at the expo when they are all there) and everyone has the same story/experience I do. Healthy looking men carrying xbows/airbows youth shooting game with xbows/airbows.. I have seen it multiple times myself and those guys are in the field 50X more than I am - it's a real issue that it was abused by many many people. It needs to be regulated and how they do it, that is on them and so far - it seems fair. It's all still available, just need to prove it vs 'sore shoulder' guy. And those of you on this site that have abused it or have seen friends/kids abuse it - feel free to chime in - lol.

Yet another cheating/crooked guide. What a shocker.

Both are 26” barrels

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I’m out of town right now but back this weekend. I can send you a text of what I have. Might be able to get rid out some

I don’t see a PM but feel free to text me 480-36nine-49two3 Thanks