Flatlander

I love it. A show I can watch with the kids in the room and never have to worry. Now we use it as a parenting tool. If they do anything stupid we tell them they will end up like Uncle Si.

Stud is right. Awesome buck.

Sweet buck.

Yup. You had a good number, probably could have drawn just about anything.

Neat pics

Awesome! Good luck to you and Will K.

We don't have to submit to background checks to speak, worship, or vote. Why should this constitutional right be any different? I am done with Flake.

Haven't been able to find it yet. Maybe after the leftovers are out . . . ?

I think you should have a raffle. I would like to be entered.

1996 - Early Rifle Cow 5A Red Hill 1997 - Early Rifle Cow 5A Blue Ridge (First Big Game Animal) 1999 - Archery Cow 3C 2000 - Archery Cow 5A 2001 - Limited Opp. Rifle Cow East/West Sunset Mountain 2004 - Late Rifle Bull 5A Love hunting 5A but I haven't applied there since the 04 hunt. Maybe I will get back up there this year.

Same thing that is my favorite for everything Remington 700 BDL in 300 win topped w/Leupold Vari-x 4.5-14 B&C reticle. Only tried it once, worked fine, but I am not sure if the bear died from trauma or drowned.

Don't overlook the northern stuff in the rut. Best part is you can glass if they arent talking.

Have you hunted the archery season? Hunted Archery, early rifle cow, limited opp hunt, and late rifle bull.

Shot my first elk on Kiehl ridge in 97. Shot my second elk in the flats south of West Sunset in 2001. Shot my third elk on East Sunset in 04. The later it got the further North I went. Pretty awesome country.

My kids go to church. Does that qualify?

You should post up the pics, maybe someone would recognize their spot.

It does present a problem if he uses the stand for archery deer hunting and then leaves it up through the elk hunts. Pretty inconsiderate of him to leave others without the same opportunity he feels entitled to. I tend to be a little bit confrontational so I might just cut it down and leave it in a heap with a note explaining that the forests and the trees in them don't belong to any individual.

I am not an AZGFD basher by any stretch of the imagination, just ask BC777, but if you could produce a copy of an application that showed that, I would say that they would have some explaining to do. For the most part I maintain faith in the draw because I really have no reason not to. You hear stories about people not getting drawn for archery cow with 18 points and the like, but so far I haven't seen it substantiated. Typically what I think is more common is that many folks don't understand the draw. TJ draws a tag every year because he does a lot of research and doesn't apply for "premium" hunts. There are elk hunts with 100% draw odds for an applicant who has 2 or more points, in fact there are several of them. There is a misconception among hunter's about what these draw odds are. Some hunter's feel that just because they apply for a cow tag they should be guaranteed a tag. This is not the case, in fact with the drastic reductions in the # of cow tags issued for many units, the early cow tags often present similar draw odds to a Nov Bull tag. With the reduced number of archery cow tags those hunts are far from guaranteed. With all of this being said, it is a government operation, and one with very little transparency. It would be naive to think that it was not subject to corruption. I think the lack of transparency exposes the department to the accusations of "rewarding" folks.

Stan - I am not sure what is ridiculous about people having just a couple of opportunities to go on top tier hunts. Those are top tier hunts for a reason. There are an abundance of opportunities at other hunts. If a resident of AZ wanted to have a bull elk tag every year, that's possible. I really don't see the injustice in people having to wait for the very top tier hunts. While they wait, I will take "less desirable" hunts every 3 or 4 years.

Good advice Jim. I think I would just rather hunt with a bow than a firearm. MD33 - Did you apply for 3B early in 2012? If it was your second choice you should have drawn it. You would have been in the max point pool for that tag. That tag cannot be drawn as a third choice regardless of points.

Draw reports from this year are not out yet but in 2012 it took 10 pts to make the bonus pass for 27 Early Archery Bull.

My odds were a little more generous for 3104 with 0 pts. I figured somewhere near 15%. Still some pretty long odds. Hunter's Trailhead is a service that Monster Muley's used to post on its site. They now charge $25 for an annual subscription, and thats a bargain seeing as you get draw odds for every hunt in the west. Having put this info together on my own just for the AZ elk and Lope hunts. Believe me its worth the $. Camofreak - Here is a link that explains the draw process and what the Bonus Pass or 20% Pass is. Basically the first 20% of tags from every hunt go to the people with the most points. For the 7E archery bull hunt it took 6 points to be in the top 20%.

If it wasn't such a long DL I would snatch this thing up. Sweet 3D rig.

B4L - What tags did you draw? Stickbait I will have to run your odds tomorrow I don't have my spreadsheets with me. Congrats on your first tag, I hunted that unit a few times with my little bro. when it was a rifle hunt. He killed his first elk there. Climbing up on Sponseller with a pair of binos is still one of my favorite things to do in the White Mountains.

I drew an archery bull tag and yes the streak lives on. You're going to get me stoned to death Robert. 25 straight elk tags! TJ If I could draw 25 in a row I would consider getting stoned myself!Seriously, it shows what dedication can do for you. I look forward to pics and stories. I've been blessed to hunt the unit I love for so many years. Started out playing the odds and fell in love with everything about unit 22. I have lost a couple elk over the years and it still bothers me to have done that but I have been fortunate enough to put 19 elk tags to use. The first two were rifle and the rest archery. Good luck to all those who were successful in the draw. TJ Any chance we could get you to do a collage or slideshow of all those elk? That would be awesome to see.