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Put-&-take is probably getting too expensive. 😎 Didn't they also cut the limit to six a few years back?

Not so. Every species and hunt type have the LEGAL weapons listed. Below is for javelina: Legal Methods of Take General Hunt and Youth-Only Hunt: Any firearm, pre-charged pneumatic weapon, crossbow or bow and arrow as prescribed in R12-4-304. HAM: Handguns, muzzleloading rifles, muzzleloading handguns, crossbow, or bow and arrow as prescribed in R12-4-318. Archery-Only Hunt: Bow and arrow as prescribed in R12-4-304 and R12-4-318, and crossbow as prescribed in R12-4-216.

Nice. Big suckers, eh? I hung my 60" BC moose by myself, and it was a chore for my skinny butt. 😎

Kind of a case of "damned if you do or damned if you don't." AGFD creates more seasons and more permits, i.e. opportunities, and folks bitch that it's too many of both for nothing but the added revenue to buy more trucks. 🤷‍♂️

I was 24 when I killed that buck. My oldest son shot the doe when he was 10. Hmmm, I think it's more of mixed bag, so to speak. There are way more elk tags now than back then. Same for sheep, including the addition of the RM variety. Pronghorns are a tossup. As for deer, the permit numbers are down somewhat if compared to the average years during the later 19##s but leaving out the years when we had a windfall because of the heavy rains. And of course, the youth permits of today have greatly increased from 0 back then. That said, I feel the "decline" is more related to the increased demand, i.e. more people applying, especially non-residents.

Something else I failed to mention in my other reply: hunter could tag a buck or a doe, and if I recall there was only one season for the 2000 permits. And it was ironic you picked 1965; that was the year I killed this one just a short ways off the Eastside Game Trail above the flats.

Here ya go. https://www.azgfd.com/hunting/species/biggame/mountainlion/ This is the pertinent part: "Since 2006, mountain lion hunters are required to have their mountain lion physically inspected by the Arizona Game and Fish Department for identification of age and sex of the animal and collection of important biological information. Wildlife managers use these data to closely monitor harvest and ensure a sustainable population. In 2007, the hunt season was shortened from yearlong to 9-months with a closure from June through August. In 2012, the hunt season was again extended to yearlong but, beginning in 2018, the season will once more be closed during the summer months when research shows that mountain lion births are at their peak."

It's been a long time since I had the conversation about this with my source at the dept.. So if we discussed it, mushy brain doesn't recall why the specific dates were picked. I THINK, however it had to do with them giving birth to kittens as early as May.

There's a reason the AGFD sort of capitulated on the lion regs. If it hadn't the animal rights folks would rally here to shut down the entire hunt as they did in CA. Seeing the handwriting on the wall after the fiasco in CO, AGFD took a similar action with the spring bear season by banning bait before the antis got involved to close the spring hunts altogether.

This would only apply if all permits were in one big draw instead of broken into units as they are. Thus the odds are greatly reduced and not much better than they are under the current system. The best hunts will still attract the most apps and there likely will still be leftover permits when done.

There were no BPs in 1965. Kaibab hunt required a special $5 USFS permit through the mail on a 1st come, 1st served basis. I would drive downtown to the main PO to get my app in the mail at midnight so it was postmarked the next day. If I recall, there were 2,000 permits available. That process all ended when the AGFD's draw system came into being.

Dead on, especially the wait between applying. Lots of folks have little knowledge of what has been tried in the past.

I could feel me turning green just watching the videos. 🤢

Cleator /ˈkliːtər/ is a ghost town in Yavapai County, Arizona, United States. It lies along the road that has replaced Murphy's Impossible Railroad between Cordes and Crown King. Cleator was established in 1864 as a placer gold mining site under the name Turkey Creek Mining District. A post office was established at Turkey Creek in July 1869 but closed within three months.[2] Turkey Creek was renamed Cleator in 1925 after James P. Cleator took possession of the town from Levrett P. Nellis. He then named the post office after himself.[2] The post office closed July 15, 1954.[2] CleatorArizona.140509 Cleator's population fell in the 1920s as mining in the area declined and the town was put up for sale by James Cleator in April 1949. It then had about 60 residents.[2] James P. Cleator's son Thomas bought the town and lived there until his death in 1996. He kept the small bar open most of the years he lived there. After his death everything was inherited by his sister Eleanor and her son. The bar is still open and a favorite stop along the dusty road for recreational ATV drivers and weekend tourists. Several original buildings remain and are occupied. https://www.azfamily.com/lifestyle/phoenix_luxury_homes/photos-arizona-ghost-town-with-mining-rights-and-bar-on-market-for-1-2-million/collection_60d6971c-cb85-11ea-8b73-b7fa57a1e071.html?fbclid=IwAR1AW2kSRP3sE7D_W_9kW6SUw9mxtY2A-uDaCg5qxEbZ2cgmzW0vH3LmCdY

GAME AND FISH NEWS July 22, 2020 Arizona Big Game Super Raffle nets record $864,415 for wildlife New Mexico elk hunt, "Alaska Dream Hunt," Swarovski optics among prizes PHOENIX — Winners of the 15th annual Arizona Big Game Super Raffle were announced Wednesday night at Arizona Game and Fish Department headquarters in Phoenix. The prizes included a total of 10 Special Big Game Tags, one for each of the state’s big game species — bighorn sheep, elk, mule deer, white-tailed deer, pronghorn, bison, turkey, bear, javelina and mountain lion. The permit-tags were awarded by the Arizona Game and Fish Commission. Raffle tickets ranged from $5 to $25, depending on the species. A New Mexico elk hunt, an “Alaska Dream Hunt,” and Swarovski optics package also were raffled. In the 15-year history of the raffle, more than $8.4 million has been raised for wildlife and wildlife management in Arizona. This year’s event generated $864,415, crushing the previous record of $692,500 set in 2018. The 2020 winners: Bighorn sheep: Joshua Ankert, Mesa, Ariz. Black bear: Nathan Rodriguez, Haughton, La. Bison: Timothy Anderson, Tucson, Ariz. Elk: Paul Herrick, Green Valley, Ariz. Javelina: Gerald Ramaklus, Phoenix, Ariz. Mountain lion: Matt Parmeter, Las Cruces, N.M. Mule deer: Terry Schupp, Tempe, Ariz. Pronghorn: Bradley Hoffman, Lake Elsinore, Calif. Turkey: Richard Messinger, Yuma, Ariz. White-tailed deer: Darren Choate, Mesa, Ariz. New Mexico elk hunt: Alan Burch, Shreveport, La. Alaska Dream Hunt: Daniel Potter, Buena Vista, Colo. Swarovski optics package: Steve Lewellen, Queen Creek, Ariz. The raffle is conducted by a nonprofit entity to raise money for wildlife conservation efforts. A volunteer board of directors, comprised of representatives from sponsoring organizations, oversees the operation of the raffle. Every dollar raised for each species through the raffle is returned to the department and managed by the Arizona Habitat Partnership Committee (AHPC) for that particular species. With input from local habitat partners across the state and sponsoring organizations involved in the fundraising, project priorities are determined that will provide the most benefit to each species. For more information, visit http://arizonabiggamesuperraffle.com.

GAME AND FISH NEWS July 21, 2020 Arizona Big Game Super Raffle to be webcast Wednesday PHOENIX — For those hunters who entered this year’s Arizona Big Game Super Raffle, the event will be webcast at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday at https://vimeo.com/event/125189. For the past 14 years, the Arizona Game and Fish Commission has annually awarded the Arizona Big Game Super Raffle a total of 10 Special Big Game Tags, one for each of the state’s big game species — bighorn sheep, elk, mule deer, white-tailed deer, pronghorn, bison, turkey, bear, javelina and mountain lion. The names of the winners will be drawn at Arizona Game and Fish Department headquarters in Phoenix. NOTE: To ensure health and safety protocols are observed, the public will not be permitted to attend the drawing. Winners will be contacted by phone. The raffle is conducted by a nonprofit entity to raise money for wildlife conservation efforts. A volunteer board of directors, comprised of representatives from sponsoring organizations, oversees the operation of the raffle. Every dollar raised for each species through the raffle is returned to the department and managed by the Arizona Habitat Partnership Committee (AHPC) for that particular species. With input from local habitat partners across the state and sponsoring organizations involved in the fundraising, project priorities are determined that will provide the most benefit to each species. Winners will be permitted to hunt for 365 days between Aug. 15, 2020 and Aug. 14, 2021, in most game management units statewide. For more information, visit http://arizonabiggamesuperraffle.com.

Proper adjective is "infamous."

If I recall, it MIGHT have had something to do with Blake's relentless attack of AGFD because of the way it handled the Shawn Wagner case. Here's one of the threads, begun by none other than our infamous resident poacher.

That's a dandy buck. 👍

You have it right, though they usually dump on table. Thus, the day or time an app is mailed is irrelevant as long as it gets there on Mon. and not before. Since G&F does not pick up mail on weekends, that usually means mailing on the prior Fri. or Sat.

Many creatures without brains have existed for thousands of years, so there's always some hope for those that do have them but don't know how to use them. 😉

To refresh memories, here's the saga as told to me by the cousin of a kid that went to different schools together with one of Juan's great grand children: Juan Tabo opened the first taco stand in 1890 on the corner of what is now Juan Tabo Blvd. and Central Ave. in Albuquerque. Each morning when he opened, he would ring a bell. Folks would hear the bell, ride their horses up to Juan's place and get their tacos without dismounting. Juan's stand was so successful that he licensed others to copy his business model across the West. Each and every one of them included the bell ringing, so the diners waiting for Juan to open each day would say, "There's Juan's taco bell." Thus, the humble beginnings of Juan's efforts grew into that legacy that we now know as the Taco Bell dynasty.

Jeremiah “Jerry” Potts (1840 – July 14, 1896), (also known as Ky-yo-kosi, meaning "Bear Child"), was an American - Canadian plainsman, buffalo hunter, horse trader, interpreter, and scout of Kainai (Blood) and Scots heritage.

GAME AND FISH NEWS July 10, 2020 Last call: Sunday is deadline to purchase tickets for Arizona Big Game Super Raffle PHOENIX — Time is running out to enter the 15th annual Arizona Big Game Super Raffle. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission annually awards the Arizona Big Game Super Raffle a total of 10 Special Big Game Tags, one for each of the state’s big game species — bighorn sheep, elk, mule deer, white-tailed deer, pronghorn, bison, turkey, bear, javelina and mountain lion. Raffle tickets then are made available for $5 to $25 each, depending on species, and can be ordered online at arizonabiggamesuperraffle.com. There is no limit on how many raffle tickets can be ordered. The deadline is 10 p.m. Sunday, July 12. The names of the winners will be drawn at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday, July 22 at department headquarters in Phoenix. NOTE: To ensure health and safety protocols are observed, the public will not be permitted to attend the drawing. The drawing will be webcast at https://vimeo.com/event/125189. Winners will be contacted by phone. The raffle is conducted by a nonprofit entity to raise money for wildlife conservation efforts. A volunteer board of directors, comprised of representatives from sponsoring organizations, oversees the operation of the raffle. Every dollar raised for each species through the raffle is returned to the department and managed by the Arizona Habitat Partnership Committee (AHPC) for that particular species. With input from local habitat partners across the state and sponsoring organizations involved in the fundraising, project priorities are determined that will provide the most benefit to each species. Winners will be permitted to hunt for 365 days between Aug. 15, 2020 and Aug. 14, 2021, in most game management units statewide. For more information, visit arizonabiggamesuperraffle.com.

GAME AND FISH NEWS July 3, 2020 Arizona Game and Fish Department Nominations sought for 2020 Arizona Game and Fish Commission Awards PHOENIX — The Arizona Game and Fish Commission is soliciting nominations for the 2020 Commission Awards. The deadline for submission is Sept. 4, 2020. The purpose of these awards is to recognize Arizonans who have contributed significantly to the conservation of the state’s wildlife, its outdoor heritage, and the mission of the Arizona Game and Fish Department. Nominations may include individuals, organizations, clubs, foundations or government agencies. Arizona Game and Fish Department employees are not eligible for nomination. To nominate someone, download a form (visit https://www.azgfd.com/agency/commission/awards/) and follow the instructions on the form. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission will select the 2020 Commission Award recipients at its Sept. 25-26, 2020 meeting. The awards will be presented at the annual Arizona Game and Fish Commission Awards Banquet scheduled for Saturday, Jan. 23, 2021, at the Pointe Hilton Tapatio Cliffs Resort, 11111 N. 7th Street, Phoenix, Arizona 85020. Download a Nomination Form 2020 AWARD CATEGORIES AWARD OF EXCELLENCE: Any individual, group, organization, club, foundation, or agency that has excelled in efforts to benefit wildlife, wildlife habitats, or programs of the Arizona Game and Fish Department. YOUTH CONSERVATIONIST OF THE YEAR: Any individual, 18 years of age or younger, who has excelled in efforts to benefit wildlife and the mission of the Arizona Game and Fish Department. MEDIA OF THE YEAR: Any media source (radio, television, magazine, newsletter, or periodical) that has published articles or materials beneficial to public interest about wildlife or wildlife related topics and the mission of the Arizona Game and Fish Department. CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION OF THE YEAR: Any organization, group, foundation, or agency that has excelled in efforts to enhance the welfare of wildlife, wildlife related recreation, and the mission of the Game and Fish Department. CONSERVATIONIST OF THE YEAR: Any individual, not associated with a professional agency, which has excelled in efforts to enhance, conserve, and manage wildlife or their habitats. NATURAL RESOURCE PROFESSIONAL OF THE YEAR: Any individual who through a professional agency affiliation has excelled in efforts to enhance, conserve, and manage wildlife or their habitats. VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR: Any individual who, as a registered volunteer with the Department, has excelled in efforts to support and benefit the mission of the Arizona Game and Fish Department. EDUCATOR OF THE YEAR: Any individual whose educational activities have advanced and supported the welfare of wildlife, wildlife related recreation, or the mission of the Arizona Game and Fish Department. MENTOR OF THE YEAR: Any individual who has acted in the role of a mentor and whose efforts have resulted in the promotion and support of future wildlife conservation efforts and the development of future wildlife conservation leaders in Arizona. ADVOCATE OF THE YEAR (Two Nominations): Any individual that has engaged in political advocacy for the betterment of wildlife conservation and in the support of the mission of the Arizona Game and Fish Department. BUSINESS PARTNER OF THE YEAR: Any business partner that actively promotes Game and Fish through innovative approaches, community involvement and a customer service focus that benefits the citizens of Arizona and supports the Game and Fish’s mission of wildlife conservation. BUCK APPLEBY HUNTER EDUCATION INSTRUCTOR OF THE YEAR AWARD: Any hunter education instructor who actively participates in hunter education activities and demonstrates the highest level of customer service, dedication and professionalism during these activities. Award category recently approved by the AZGFD Commission in honor of Buck Appleby, a long time hunter education instructor who passed away in 2010. Past Award Recipients, 1991-2019