New to ML hunting

[Baboltin]

I have been considering building a buying a ML for hunting and was looking at purchasing a Endura Pro and was curious what everyone's thoughts are? I know they are new from CVA so maybe there isn't much experience with them yet. Also being I'm new to the ML game what are some other items I would need to purchase in order to shoot and enjoy my ML? and any advice from experienced ML hunters would be great. Thank you.
 

Endura Pro

[Crazymonkey]

Looked at the endura  vs the paramount pro in already  have and not much for ballistic difference.  The endura will  run smokeless  but illegal  for the muzzleloader  hunts and there’s  not much gain . Infact with blackhorn 209 the velocity  is better.  There stated velocity  is probably  off some as I only run 105 gr by weight  and get 2465 so the 112 would  get better.  The veri -flame adapters  kinda suck and a arrowhead  plug and brass adapters  is needed  to not get blow back . The bolt is spring  loaded on the head and the arrowhead  is not. They do shoot amazing  for what they are and as soon  as I can im planning  on taking mine out to 500yds. It's only 1.25 moa from 100 to 200 but past that they drop fast . Blackhorn  is the ticket  as you can clean with  your rifle stuff no problem.  They do pack some recoil so get the anarchy  break or arrowhead  it's definitely  a game changer. 

[Baboltin]

1 hour ago, Crazymonkey said:

Looked at the endura  vs the paramount pro in already  have and not much for ballistic difference.  The endura will  run smokeless  but illegal  for the muzzleloader  hunts and there’s  not much gain . Infact with blackhorn 209 the velocity  is better.  There stated velocity  is probably  off some as I only run 105 gr by weight  and get 2465 so the 112 would  get better.  The veri -flame adapters  kinda suck and a arrowhead  plug and brass adapters  is needed  to not get blow back . The bolt is spring  loaded on the head and the arrowhead  is not. They do shoot amazing  for what they are and as soon  as I can im planning  on taking mine out to 500yds. It's only 1.25 moa from 100 to 200 but past that they drop fast . Blackhorn  is the ticket  as you can clean with  your rifle stuff no problem.  They do pack some recoil so get the anarchy  break or arrowhead  it's definitely  a game changer. 

so it sounds like if i can find a used paramount pro that would be a better option over the endura? since like you said smokeless powder isnt legal on most all ML only hunts. with the paramount pro do you still need to purchase and upgrade to the arrowhead plugand brass adapter? or is that only if i went the route of the endura? 

[Crazymonkey]

It's a good  idea with either  as you get blow by . The paramount pro  was discontinued.  If you do get a used one and don't  do the breach plug make sure and request  a new bolt head spring  from cva . They sent mine free of charge. It's a stronger  spring  and will help but just for a short time . Don't  trust the powder tubes with load lines and weight  your  loads out . Make sure you run the loads by weight  and not volume  for best accuracy. 

[Redman]

Muzzleloading (ML) is a process I've refined over time. With each rifle I've used, I've learned something new. The ML I use now is my best shooting rifle, custom-made by Bestill Creations. I also have two other custom-built rifles.

The best advice I can give is to always mark your ramrod and ensure 1000% that your rifle isn't already loaded—your life depends on it. Beyond the ramrod mark, it's all about trial and error. Different sabots will perform better than others, depending on your barrel. Even a few grains of powder can make a big difference in your shot grouping.

Also, keep in mind that most states, including New Mexico, Utah, and Colorado, have "outlawed" power scopes on muzzleloaders. Depending on your hunting plans, you’ll need to consider this. I worry that Arizona may follow suit in the near future as well.

Here are a few things I recommend, depending on your setup and approach:

• Arrowhead has a great website, and Luke provides a wealth of knowledge through his YouTube videos.

• Hanks Muzzleloader always has solid information, too.

In terms of equipment, here are some essentials:

• Bullet sizer

• Loading press

• Quality scale (for measuring BH 209 by weight—not volume)

• Arrowhead LMRP primer holders

• Load-through funnel

• Cedar Mountain Quick Loader

• Quality cleaning supplies 

Hope this helps BH 209 is always hard to come by. When you find some, get an extra container. 

Another option to consider is a Thompson Center (used) then equip with a Match Grade Machine barrel / arrowhead breach plug, lighten the trigger and that would be a great 300 yd ML 

[Baboltin]

16 hours ago, Redman said:

Muzzleloading (ML) is a process I've refined over time. With each rifle I've used, I've learned something new. The ML I use now is my best shooting rifle, custom-made by Bestill Creations. I also have two other custom-built rifles.

The best advice I can give is to always mark your ramrod and ensure 1000% that your rifle isn't already loaded—your life depends on it. Beyond the ramrod mark, it's all about trial and error. Different sabots will perform better than others, depending on your barrel. Even a few grains of powder can make a big difference in your shot grouping.

Also, keep in mind that most states, including New Mexico, Utah, and Colorado, have "outlawed" power scopes on muzzleloaders. Depending on your hunting plans, you’ll need to consider this. I worry that Arizona may follow suit in the near future as well.

Here are a few things I recommend, depending on your setup and approach:

• Arrowhead has a great website, and Luke provides a wealth of knowledge through his YouTube videos.

• Hanks Muzzleloader always has solid information, too.

In terms of equipment, here are some essentials:

• Bullet sizer

• Loading press

• Quality scale (for measuring BH 209 by weight—not volume)

• Arrowhead LMRP primer holders

• Load-through funnel

• Cedar Mountain Quick Loader

• Quality cleaning supplies 

Hope this helps BH 209 is always hard to come by. When you find some, get an extra container. 

Another option to consider is a Thompson Center (used) then equip with a Match Grade Machine barrel / arrowhead breach plug, lighten the trigger and that would be a great 300 yd ML 

awesome information thank you and gives me some insight and direction!