HuntHarder

The Operator is a good read. It is the story by Robert Oneal about his Navy seal experience. He is the one who shot Osama Bin laden. Some guys hate him for spilling the details but I actually enjoyed the book.

Do you think without the lead, your siblings would still have those degrees?

Look like Rez animals to me.

In for a 1/4 or less of a half? He!!, steaks are on sale at pretty much any grocery store right now for the 4th. Those steaks on sale have nothing on this type of meat. The "on sale" steaks at Fry's and Basha's barely qualify as meat. Very little taste to them.

I have never had a problem with my leupold dialing either... I am sure some have issues, but they are a fine scope for the money. I trust them over Vortex. If you are not willing to spend over a grand, they are a good alternative. The deer I have killed with them, never told me that my scope dialed incorrectly..... Grin...

Lake powell chronicle is about 6 months late on that story... Last I heard, he is still out and about hunting

I have taken far more animals with my bow than I have with a rifle, but I still enjoy a gun hunt. Shooting long range does take away a pretty big part of the "hunting" aspect, but it does require a different skill. Being able to dope the wind, calculate the drop, wait for the perfect broadside shot are skills that many do not have and they take a while to get them. Sure I approach archery hunting different than I do when I long range hunt, where do you draw the line in the sand on what is ethical. I have killed multiple animals over water out of a blind. An animal has to drink, so was that unethical? In some people's eyes it is. I have knocked down a couple of coues at 500+ yards with a rifle, some think that is unethical. Stick to your ethics and quit worrying about everyone else's. We all draw the line at different places in the "ethics" book. Just do you and life will be much less stressful bud.

Just meet up and hug already

Miles/ hours?

The bickering about this issue is ridiculous. Just accept the fact that people have different opinions on issues that we face. Trying to convince the other side by insulting them or arguing with them will not accomplish anything. If the issue is important to you, get out form behind the computer and try and do something about it. Arguing online is certainly not going to help in any way. My best advice is to go in front of the commissioners and start crying.

bad river bucks and birds

He had the most to lose IMO in this whole ban. His operation on the north rim is very heavily based on trailcams.

Maybe we need members to attend some commission meetings and start crying, seem to work with trail cameras... SMH

uuggghh

So contradicting... Some guys go up and say it does not help in harvesting, then the next guy goes up and says it will make killing buffalo on the rim more difficult.

http://www.azgfd.gov/inside_azgfd/CommissionCam.shtml

interesting so far

should be next right?

watching... How much longer till the camera decision?

near baghdad?

The way I understand it, the stamp and tag money could not be given away to any org and could not be used for political gains. That money would go to AZGFD and it could only be used for education. CAPAZ is backdoor promising that if they get tags, their donors will donate money directly to CAPAZ, unrelated from the money they would generate on the tag sales, and that money could be used for anything political. In other words, if you give them the chance to bid on tags, they will in return donate extra money to CAPAZ that could be used for anything CAPAZ felt they needed to use the money for. IMO, the plan is not very well thought out and more options should be brought to the table by CAPAZ. I may be wrong, but that is my understanding

You are correct except for the stap fee. I agree with the concept but AZGFD cannot use monies it raises for political campaigns. So, who is getting the money from the raffle tags? Game and fish would get the money, but it could not be used to fight political foes. This is the unwritten promise of donors for CAPAZ stepping up and donating big sums to CAPAZ which could be used to fight anti's.

You are correct except for the stap fee. I agree with the concept but AZGFD cannot use monies it raises for political campaigns. That is what I am wondering, Can G&F collect monies from a stamp and allocate it to different orgs to spend so they choose, i.e. fight anti's. I think they probably can not, so the stamp idea probably wouldn't work simply because the money collected could not be used for what we need it to be used for. Big Donors usually want something in return and tags is #1 on their list. No easy solution, but the only way I see making this work without tags is some kind of legislation change on how monies can be spent/ dispersed.

So, just a recap, Pete was saying that the money from the tags would go to G&F, but if they get the tags, there would be additional donations from various members directly to CAPAZ. This money would be used to fight the anti's. I think this is what I have gathered. So the way I see it, if they do not get the tags, the members will not feel inclined to donate extra money to CAPAZ. This will basically leave us where we are right now with no money or not enough, to fight the anti's. If there was a way to designate a stamp and split the proceeds to go to education and also set aside some money for the fight, that we know is coming, this would be the way to go. I do not know if this is possible, but it sure sounds like a good solution to our problem. I am not completely against the tag idea, but i am also not for it. I think that should be a last ditch effort. I do not like the idea of give us tags and donations will pour in for the fight. Tough deal here for sure, but I do not think it is as easy as some think it is.

I thought the whole issue is any money raised by Azgfd could not be used to fight radical groups like PETA. Am I missing something? I like the idea of a habitat stamp, but will that put the money in the hands of an org. that can actively fight against these invasive species or protesters? Can he add a stamp and designate the money to be used by an outside org.?