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Costas was on Dan Patrick this week as well and he did a lousy job defending his actions. He kept saying he was reading the article and did not add his comments. He tried babbling about assault rifles, semi-automatics, and so on. I can half way deal with people who have intelligent arguments but it was pretty clear he doesn't know squat about guns and what they do. It is the same as the people who start spewing about "cop killer" bullets but can't tell you what that even means. They don't understand that BP vests dont stop high speed rounds regardless of the kind of bullet. Too many stupid movies showing guns as magic killing machines.

goatsie watch the classifieds on the LHR forum the Forster's pop up but go fast. I have an Redding T7 and a Dillon 550 both great presses. You can make great ammo with just about any of the presses if you take the time to do it right. I have accumulated a lot of stuff over the years but you dont need a lot to get started. Buy the LHR Reloading video from Shawn Carlock, it is the best and most straight forward instruction I have found and he talks about what you really need so you dont waste your hard earned $. If you have questions feel free to PM me as well.

yep 6mm barrel should last a long time unless it is a wildcat round pushing larger bullets at +3000 fps. If the price is right buy it you can also rebarrel one for not that much if you decide to upgrade to a match quality barrel.

I was thinking the same thing! I cut mine in two and carried each half about a mile and that was really no fun but never dreamed of trying to carry the entire critter. Crockpot or smoker would be my vote as they are VERY lean and you can screw up the meat pretty easy. Jerky was great my kids devoured it and sausage is good since they mix it with fat as well.

Huge! An old ram without the tips broomed off hard to find. Great job!

Good luck! That is a great area enjoy it you only get to make this memory once.

That is fantastic! Get that one mounted for sure. Only been out once this year up on the rim and it was the worst I have seen it with not much flying.

I am going New Zealand also. Followed by stone and dall hunt int Canada. But I really like the idea of a few thousand acres of land all for myself!

I really like my 7mm's, Dakota and RM and they have proven to be great 1000 yd guns from a target perspective. Not planning in shooting critters that far. I have a 300 RUM as well and don't shoot it much any more since it wears you out a little quicker and doesn't get me any huge gains in performance. I did shoot my bighorn with the 300 so it will always be a special gun to me. All that being said if I hade other deer caliber rifle I would go big and do the 338. If you don't have anything in 7mm or .308 yet I would go 7mm. IMHO

If you use the 162gr AMAX your loads should be pretty much the same as the starting loads you used for the 168gr VLD's. I use H1000 because it seems to be very consistent and the claimed max from load data is about where I stopped. I know a lot of guys push them a lot harder though. Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag. Bullet : .284, 162, Hornady A-MAX 28402 Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch or 83.57 mm Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders. Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 % These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window. C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations. USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON ! 95 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 75%. These powders have been skipped. Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms --------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Vihtavuori N570 107.5 75.8 4.91 3176 97.4 61000 17371 1.242 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2218 110.0 78.4 5.08 3141 97.0 58844 17677 1.244 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 74.0 4.79 3109 100.0 58685 15162 1.258 ! Near Maximum ! Norma MRP 2 106.4 71.2 4.61 3109 99.8 61000 15421 1.258 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 100.9 72.2 4.68 3109 99.8 61000 15208 1.242 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 517 101.2 72.3 4.68 3108 99.8 61000 15197 1.242 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 12 101.1 72.1 4.67 3107 99.9 61000 15158 1.242 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N560 98.2 67.1 4.35 3103 99.4 61000 15281 1.249 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-25 104.2 69.3 4.49 3099 100.0 61000 14221 1.245 ! Near Maximum ! Norma MRP 96.4 67.3 4.36 3099 100.0 61000 14706 1.256 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate MAGPRO 98.5 70.1 4.54 3097 98.6 61000 15567 1.256 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 7828 102.7 66.7 4.32 3094 99.6 61000 14771 1.238 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 7828 SSC 97.1 66.7 4.32 3094 99.6 61000 14771 1.238 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2213 98.2 66.4 4.30 3081 99.6 61000 14654 1.235 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AP 2214 102.2 70.9 4.60 3081 99.8 61000 14629 1.233 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H1000 107.4 71.0 4.60 3078 99.8 61000 14591 1.233 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-22 98.5 66.6 4.31 3075 100.0 61000 14571 1.255 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA15 98.5 66.6 4.31 3075 100.0 61000 14571 1.255 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 98.5 66.6 4.31 3075 100.0 61000 14571 1.255 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester WXR 101.1 66.9 4.33 3074 99.9 61000 14611 1.255 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori 24N41 109.6 78.1 5.06 3051 91.8 61000 15758 1.239 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R905 99.8 66.2 4.29 3047 99.3 61000 14326 1.254 ! Near Maximum ! ADI AR 2209 95.1 63.2 4.10 3036 99.9 61000 13731 1.243 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-19 95.5 63.9 4.14 3033 99.9 61000 13818 1.251 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP14 ~approximation 96.3 64.4 4.17 3027 99.9 61000 13741 1.251 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H870 110.0 76.0 4.92 3021 97.4 52925 16351 1.328 Winchester 760 86.1 60.9 3.95 3019 100.0 61000 13189 1.259 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot Hunter 91.2 63.0 4.08 3018 100.0 61000 13199 1.259 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4350 90.9 60.5 3.92 3017 100.0 61000 12923 1.251 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4831 SC 96.9 65.5 4.25 3015 99.2 61000 13830 1.248 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H4831 100.8 65.5 4.25 3015 99.2 61000 13830 1.248 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 204 90.8 62.7 4.06 3011 99.9 61000 13451 1.251 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA4 93.7 62.7 4.06 3011 99.9 61000 13451 1.251 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP4 ~approximation 93.7 62.7 4.06 3011 99.9 61000 13451 1.251 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4350 93.3 59.7 3.87 3009 100.0 61000 12876 1.254 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H414 84.1 59.9 3.88 2999 100.0 61000 12980 1.265 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N170 110.0 72.8 4.71 2998 95.7 60541 14642 1.273 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-17 84.0 58.9 3.82 2998 100.0 61000 12328 1.247 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S385 95.7 64.7 4.19 2993 100.0 61000 13162 1.272 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N550 88.1 60.2 3.90 2992 100.0 61000 12703 1.269 ! Near Maximum ! Norma URP 90.7 60.0 3.89 2991 100.0 61000 12537 1.266 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP19 ~approximation 90.7 60.0 3.89 2991 100.0 61000 12534 1.266 ! Near Maximum ! Winchester Supreme 780 94.5 66.6 4.32 2988 99.9 61000 13262 1.258 ! Near Maximum ! Somchem S365 92.3 61.4 3.98 2987 100.0 61000 12199 1.274 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R904 94.6 62.4 4.04 2986 99.5 61000 13185 1.251 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 4350 93.9 60.1 3.89 2985 100.0 61000 12484 1.285 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N165 100.9 66.7 4.32 2979 100.0 61000 12966 1.263 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-D1001 107.0 77.0 4.99 2978 92.4 61000 14524 1.258 ! Near Maximum ! Accurate 3100 104.3 66.0 4.27 2974 100.0 61000 12764 1.289 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4831 95.2 60.9 3.95 2972 100.0 61000 12294 1.275 ! Near Maximum ! Vihtavuori N160 101.0 64.8 4.20 2969 99.5 61000 13034 1.255 ! Near Maximum ! Ramshot BigGame 84.7 58.5 3.79 2967 100.0 61000 12052 1.263 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0701 90.7 60.0 3.89 2966 100.0 61000 12525 1.271 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 11 84.8 58.6 3.79 2965 100.0 61000 12039 1.264 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon H380 84.0 57.4 3.72 2954 100.0 61000 12049 1.271 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-15 82.7 55.3 3.58 2952 100.0 61000 11802 1.267 ! Near Maximum ! Bofors RP11 ~approximation 82.7 55.3 3.58 2952 100.0 61000 11802 1.267 ! Near Maximum ! Raufoss RA11 82.7 55.3 3.58 2952 100.0 61000 11802 1.267 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R907 88.9 58.3 3.78 2952 100.0 61000 12351 1.263 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4007 SSC 86.1 58.4 3.78 2951 100.0 61000 12344 1.263 ! Near Maximum ! PB Clermont PCL 516 81.2 57.8 3.75 2948 100.0 61000 11941 1.261 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 203B 83.0 55.5 3.60 2946 100.0 61000 11719 1.269 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4895 83.5 54.0 3.50 2944 100.0 61000 11251 1.249 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 96.3 60.2 3.90 2943 100.0 61000 11584 1.268 ! Near Maximum ! Lovex-S0651 89.8 58.7 3.80 2940 100.0 61000 12000 1.270 ! Near Maximum ! IMR 4320 84.6 55.7 3.61 2935 100.0 61000 11429 1.254 ! Near Maximum ! Hodgdon BL-C2 78.0 57.0 3.69 2932 100.0 61000 11605 1.275 ! Near Maximum ! Norma 203 old 84.1 56.8 3.68 2930 100.0 61000 11572 1.286 ! Near Maximum ! SNPE Vectan SP 9 80.9 55.9 3.62 2927 100.0 61000 11474 1.263 ! Near Maximum ! Rottweil R903 86.0 56.9 3.68 2926 100.0 61000 11477 1.285 ! Near Maximum !

The meplat uniformity should not cause an issue like the one you are having. For what it is worth I have meplat trimmers (actually the MCR's in the link above) in a few calibers and dont use them much as I found it made a pretty negligible difference for all the extra work. I know that especially in smaller calibers the twist rate of your barrel can cause the longer berger's to be unstable. We have shot them through 2 .243's and one was okay and the other could not get consistency at various ranges. Berger makes great bullets as do many others in this day and age I dont believe there are many bad bullets being produced, your idea to try a few is probably the best thing you can do. Sounds like you are doing everything else you can. Good luck!

The covert Amanda sells is a great little camera, lightweight and the batteries last a really long time. I use the spypoint tiny camera more than any other because I bought quite a few of them at a good price. The spypoint tiny has the best aiming system and is easier to use than pretty much any others I have used. However, I wish I had more of the coverts as well due to the ability to use the metal lock box that is available. Both of these cameras take great pics and batteries will last for months.

We hit a few places around Show Low and it was the worst I have seen it in some time. Not many ducks and a few geese flying around. The NW just got hit with storms so I would guess the next month should get much better. Anyone hit Roosevelt?

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You lost me? I am pretty sure we are not in any real disagreement. I gave an opinion without trying to get into the various branches, definitions, philosophies, or concepts of ethics and then explained my opinion.

Maybe semantics but I definitely think there is a difference between ethical and stupid. Ethics in my mind is when you start heading towards illegal actions since that is where opinion stops and it becomes clear there was wrong doing. I am not saying it is worse or better than stupid! The archery example is probably a violation of both. The long range shooting issue is simply stupid if you have not trained yourself for the shot and the conditions aren't acceptable. I passed last year on the biggest coues of my life at a shot just under 600 yds due to the changing winds in the canyon we were in. I had spent a lot of time practicing and I was very consistent at 700 yds and knew the exact elevation to dial the scope in and take a shot. I really did not shoot because at that distance I knew I could get closer anyway so why would I risk sending the deer running to the next zip code. I will say there is a difference between archery and rifle as the margin for error is so small in archery. Also, at long ranges for rifles there are some factors working in your favor such as the deer having no adrenaline rush or reason to run. They also seem to die and not move far when shot from long range or they drop like a load of bricks, probably mostly due to bullet angle. As for knowing if there is another hunter in the area most of the time you are behind glass for so long you know if someone is around as well as the deer knowing they are there if they are close. People bring it up all the time but I have never heard of an example of someone being shot this way. Now a guy shooting into bushes or running deer, that seems to happen more often. Think about what would have to happen to be hit by a rifle shot from long range, someone would have to miss by 50 or more yards, since there is no way another hunter is standing next to the deer during rifle season it is really not much of a concern. It is a bit of a boogey man issue for those that dont agree with LR hunting not any kind of reality.

Great job! Congratulations!

Great shot! Ignore the complainers, if you have never practiced and shot long range with a purpose built rifle you have no clue. It sounds like you know what you are doing, know your rifle, and I am pretty sure you would have made the hike to find the deer I would have because practicing long range turns you into an optimist since you know what you are capable of. I would be willing to bet more deer are wounded at short range or in brush than at long range by people who have practiced for those conditions. When you practice at those ranges you are patient, have clarity of mind to know all of the conditions around you, and you wait for the right shot. Can you miss sure thing, but pretty much all of the deer I have seen that were not recovered were close not far shots. All that being said that is a long shot, as long as my longest practice sessions on targets. Great shot!

Nice! Great job, great shot!

Wow! That is an awesome rack.

Cool deer!

Can we make this a sticky! We can start a CWT.com dictionary/wiki

I think the 25-06 is a great round for coues but I am not sure I would try and push it past 500 yds since you just can't get heavy enough bullets through it keep the energy up IMHO. For inside of 500 it is great. I say buy it if it is a good deal. At some point you may still want a varmint specific rifle and a long range rifle... or two... or three...or

I wear gators almost all the time now! Between plants and ants finding ways into my boots/pants I gave up staying cool...

Wow! I have never weighed a primer in my life. I do all the other steps you mentioned as well but have never used solvent. Have been kicking around getting a steel media tumbler.