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So with the ban of cameras going into effect next year, what else can we expect from our AZGFD ? And oh don't forget about no hunting around water with in a 1/4 of a mile . And don't forget another crappy law no archery hunting with in a 1/4 mile of a structure /building , how did this ever even get past . ( Someone in AZGFD must of had a situation with a bow hunter or not) When it comes to unethical hunting ((This is a very slippery slope one might say )) THEY could make it seem like everything We / as in hunters are doing something bad or Unethical . Food for thought . [ Ethical or Unethical , unfair advantage ?? ]15x56 swarovski binoculars and BTX Spotter, Twin spotters , Range finders , scopes with ballistic turrets, long range guns , long range muzzleloaders , compound bows with range finders and slider type sights , the use of a bird dog , bassboat with a fish finder, [BEST OF ALL WHAT about a Game Wardens - that HUNT ,in the UNIT that they patrol would that be considered UNETHICAL /unfair advantage] the list could go on . Depending on who wants to input there own views or what they don't like . As hunters we need to stand together as one. EVEN if you don't like them or even if you don't use them .I use cameras mostly to see what's out there , at this time I haven't killed any thing( just time and batteries) from a camera, ( like many of you , I have had my own problems with people taken them ,I would like to say they borrowed them at some point I might get them back ,but NO THEY FLAT OUT STOLED THEM.)it's a tool , just like my quad ,side by side ,spotter ,binoculars, etc but Mostly with the cameras , it was something that we as a family did together . (We )me and my boy would set cameras and after a while pull the sd cards ,we all would sit by the computer and check out what's on them deer ,pig , bears , LOST PEOPLE with back packs, Etc . What's are our options ,now that this is done ? Can we start a petition to get it changed ? Or can we get the people in these positions REMOVED .If so how many signatures would it take ? Can we make AZGFD to show us proof of how these cameras are soooooo bad .Is there any groups , Guides or Outfitters ,Trailcamera manufactures starting a lawsuit , Big box stores helping to stop this stuff from happening ? I also understand that in ''some Units'' it's very bad , with camera's on tanks ,people stealing them , or just damaging them . Sound like they might need to do more law enforcement out there. Add a few decoy cameras with tracking devices into them and catch a few of these AKA bad guys . Let me know your thoughts .

Thanks, for the help definitely appreciate it.

So I have a question , how many different Remington Ultimate muzzle loader did they make or did they ? I have only found 2, the Remington 700 Ultimate and Regular Remington 700ml one . Am i missing something ? I am definitely a new bee with muzzle loader . I was told to make a long range one i would need a Remington Ultimate muzzle loader ONLY . What are your thoughts . thanks

The state land in question had a AZGFD sign a, while back , but now its missing, I did contact AZGFD and they are going to speak to the rancher/lesser about his actions . AZGFD is also reaching out to the state land commissioner , As this isn't his first time this has happen . They are going to be placing a new sign on the state land to welcome HUNTERS not sure how long this sign will stay ...

Thanks man,

well I have a story to share, I was hunting this past year . I was hunting on state land , per my OX MAPS ,a LIFE SAVER. The rancher came up and told me that I couldn't hunt there? ***My question is this isolated problem, or do fellow hunters have the same problem . Locked gates , also no hunting signs state land ?

WELL , I GUESS THE TREE STAND AND THE CAMERA COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN BY A [uDA'S] OR SOMEONE ELSE ...THERE WAS NO ROADS JUST YOUR FEET.... [i HAVE SEEN ONE OF THE GUYS THAT CAME TO MY BLIND AT OUR LOCAL ARCHERY SHOP BEFORE]...IF THEY WERE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE BLIND THEY WOULD HAVE THERE HUNTING STUFF WITH THEM...BOWS @PACKS ETC.....NEXT TIME THERE WILL BE VIDEO...THERE WILL BE NO QUESTION ON WHAT IS GOING ON...ALSO I HAVE HEARD THAT THESE TWO GUY HUNT ALONG THE AZ -NM AND CROSS IN TO NM WITH JUST THERE AZ TAG THEY ARE VERY SHADY....I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT HUNTERS WOULDN'T STEAL BUT .THINGS HAPPEN....I HAVE HEARD ABOUT A FATHER AND SON WENT TO THERE STAND AND ANOTHER HUNTER WAS THERE ..HE ASK THE HUNTER IF HE WOULD BE THERE TOMORROW, HE SAID ,[NO HE WOULD HUNT SOME WERE ELSE]. THE NEXT MORNING THEY GOT THERE. THE 2 MAN STAND WAS GONE...CRAZY HUNTERS OR JUST BAD LUCK....

WELL, GUYS HOPE THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO YOU.....BAD LUCK, SO FAR I HAVE LOST A LADDER STAND, DEER CAM [THEY CUT THE LOCKS OFF ] ALMOST A GROUND BLIND.........I WAS IN THE GROUND BLIND.....I WAS HUNTING ONE MORNING WHEN I HEARD A TRUCK COMING DOWN THE ROAD .I WAS OFF THE ROAD ABOUT 200 YARDS IN SOME BRUSH.THEY SPOT THE BLIND. THEY DROVE DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT 100 YARDS .THEY CAME BACK , NOT WITH THERE BOWS OR PACKS THEY CAME FOR THE BLIND...I WAITED JUST FOR THE RIGHT MINUTE TO GET OUT OF THE BLIND [i SAID WHAT THE F$%!* ARE YOU GUYS DOING .]THEY JUST LOOKED AT ME ,THEY REALLY COULD SAY ANY THING .THEY NEW I GOT THEM...THEY JUST WALK BACK TO THERE TRUCK......MAN THEY THOUGHT ,THEY FOUND A BLIND.......I SHOULD OF GOT OUT OF THE GROUND BLIND SOONER AND VIDEO THEM STEALING IT....THAT WOULD OF BEEN COOL...GUYS LIKE THAT NEED TO BE CAUGHT.......NEXT TIME....... :angry: :angry:

I have seen guys putting food on the ground next to there stand or blind , is this still hunting? or is it less ?????. I have never hunted that way I have kill only a few bucks, by way of spot and stalk.One over a water hole in a stand....

WELL.I HAVEN'T HUNTED UP THERE BUT, MY FRIENDS DAD DOES.IF YOU DON'T MIND CHECKING IN AND OUT.I ALSO BELEAVE THAT YOU MUST HAVE HUNTERS ED CARD,TAG, THERE ARE SOME BIG BUCKS UP THERE IF YOU HAVE THE TIME.MOST HUNTERS ARE SHOOTING 1-2 YEARS DEER.FORT HAS SOME GOOD THING THEY ONLY LET A FEW HUNTER IN AN AREA AT ONE TIME HUNTING, OUT SIDE OF FORT IN ARCHERY SEASON OK , BUT RIFLE SEASON THERE WILL BE ALOT OF HUNTERS...I HAVE BEEN BACK THERE IN ARCHERY SEASON, BORDER PATROL WAS ALL OVER THERE GETTING UDA'S. ON AT LEAST 4 TIMES. IT MUST BE A HOT ZONE....WELL GOOD LUCK HUNTING

well thanks for your help. so far i spent 5 day up fish hook wilderness area didn't see anything..4 day around willcox didn't see anything.well i'll keep glassing and asking around about elk hope to find one..thanks to all.....

HAS ANY ONE HUNTED ELK IN UNITS 28, 31,32? OR HAVE YOU SEEN ANY..? THANKS FOR YOUR HELP.....