Help with .270 Reload

[.270]

Those are some really weak velocities. Id be perplexed too. Another bit of advice. Forget about "energy". All energy, knockdown, lbs/ft, etc are is numbers on a piece of paper. The type of bullet, where you hit it, bullet diameter, etc have more to do with the reaction of the animal than energy. If energy meant anything then you wouldn't be able to kill anything with a bow. A full metal jacket has the same energy as a any like weight bullet with the same velocity. Is a fmj gonna hit as hard as a softpoint? Nope. Its gonna zip on thru. Put your effort into accuracy with a bullet designed for what you want to do. Lbs/ft deals with specific laws of physics. A deer or elk don't. If you're shooting tanks or buildings or other types of armor, it matters. They don't give unless you hit em hard enough. Animals ain't like that. Lark.

[cactusjack]

Id try a different primer.

[Zeke-BE]

Id try a different primer.

That was my idea. Can changing a primer change the speed up to 1-200 fps faster?

[Mike S]

 

Id try a different primer.

That was my idea. Can changing a primer change the speed up to 1-200 fps faster?

 

Doubtful in my opinion...

[cactusjack]

Primers might not be the culprit, however id try some from a different lot to rule them out.

[Zeke-BE]

 

With the last year ammo scare I was forced to reload. So Im pretty new to it. But Im shooting the Nosler 140 grain accurbond. I've been also practicing lot more with Long Range shooting and hitting 500-650 yards. I know 500 yards is not long range to some but Im getting there. But I want a load that when I hit a deer at 600-700 yards I will at least have over a 1000 lbs of energy when I hit it at that distance. To get that lbs I need to be shooting 2950-3000 fps. I finally maxed out the load that says in the Nosler book and shot them today. Here are my results RL15, 47grain, Fed 210 primer= 2,690 fpsIMR 4350, 53.5, Fed 210 primer= 2,525 fpsRL19, 55g, Fed 210 primer= 2,678 fps This is no where near 3,000 fps in what the Nosler book is claiming. What im I doing wrong or need to change? Im shooting a Tika .270 24" barrel and I believe 1-10" twist. Go easy on me Im still learing in the Reload world! Also its not my goal in life to shoot a deer at 700 yards I just want to make sure that Im capable of a go shot placement and knock down power if I have to. I have a mule deer hunt in Nov. in 36B

According to my Nosler book, your loads are a far cry from published velocities. You are using their preferred primers (Fed 210 LR), but you never mentioned case brand/head stamp. They loaded with Winchester cases. If you use a different case, it could have different capacity, causing either lower pressure/lower velocity, or high pressure/higher velocities.47.0gr. RL15 (published max) should net you about 2832fps.53.5gr. IMR4350 is over published max load of 52.5 which should net you about 2858fps, so your load should be even hotter.55.0gr. RL19 (published max) should net you about 3003fps.These are all book loads, so take them for what they are worth as far as "Max". Books are usually very safe on what they will publish as a max load for liability reasons.

 

 

My head case/ stamp which I believe you are talking about the brass, is Nosler ( I'm still new to reloading). I have it set at 3.330 which barley fits in my Tika magazine, which slightly pushes back as I chamber it . But I do apologize my buddy wrote down IMR 4350. It was loaded H4831c. But I don't remember if we loaded it to the max at the H4831 or loaded it at the IMR. If we did load it at the max for the IMR I would be almost 4 grains short for the H4831. I'll take one apart and weigh it. But my other powders are according to the Nosler Book.

[STOMP442]

I would try some H4350 and a high BC bullet like the berger 130gr classic hunter. With a BC of .497 it has a BC even higher than the 140vld offering and able to be launched at even higher velocities. I have a couple savages chambered in .270 with 22" barrels and 53 grains of H4350 gives me right at 3000 fps and half inch or better accuracy in both rifles. At 3000 fps you can hold 1000 ft lbs of energy out to 650-800 yards depending on your elevation.

[Mike S]

Primers might not be the culprit, however id try some from a different lot to rule them out.

 

Couldn't hurt.

[Zeke-BE]

Ok lancetkeyon I got some new information. I went out today to mess around with new loads. But something's are still off but it might not matter if I like the loads. My last velocity on those round that I started with on the forum were slow but my brothers factory Winchester round shooting 150 grain vs my 140 grain was shooting 2780 ft to 2800 fps. So we pulled one of his rounds apart and it weighed 47 grains of what it looks like Winchester powder (the small BBs type). My buddy had some W760 and loaded 53 grain max on the nosler book and I got 3000 fps and the book says 3018 (close enough) and we up one to 54 grains and got 3064 fps but the bolt got sticky and bulge the primer, so I stopped right away. Then I retried the H4831sc which we had a mistake and loaded it to the max of the IMR 4831 (which is 53.5 grains). This explains why that load was so slow. But it still doesn't add up to well. I shot the Max load according to Nosler Book at 58 grains. The book says 3000 fps but I got 2810 fps. I then shot a Winchester brass of what you said Lance earlier but it shot 90 fps slower. I cant be sure exactly I didn't load to many Winchester brass. Then I loaded the 4831 up to 59 grains and got 2850 fps, then loaded 60.5 grains and got 2945 fps, my brass is almost topped out but it showed no sign of wear on the brass and no sticky bolt.

Lance with your H4831sc you have 57.5 grains and shooting 2900 fps and shooting the 150 grain bullet and still passing my 140 grain accubond. Could this be truly the brass for this cause?? Or primer? I haven't tried a different primer yet. My brain starting to hurt!!

 

Also if my W760 works out I might go with that. I have never used it before so does any one have any experience on that Powder???

[STOMP442]

Have you tried using a different chronograph to verify readings?

[PRDATR]

I've used W760 in a 30-06 with good results but I have heard that H414 is pretty temperature sensitive.

[Mike S]

For what it's worth W760 and H414 are the same powder.

[KYLES96]

Im pretty sure the 130 grain is the preferred bullet for the 270, at least that's what I've always been told and that's the bullet 80% of factory ammo is sold with. I see you want 1000 ft. pounds of energy at the Hail Mary ranges but I know by experience the 130 will drop a big Muley at over 500 without issues.

I see you use the 4350 as I do as well (53 grs. 3000 fps.), My dad always used IMR 4320 (50 grs) 3000 fps. I reload the Nosler Ballistic Tips and the Sierra Game Kings in 130 gr. Winchester large rifle primer and seated just off the landings.

Remember, the reloading books are all very different, I have some that my dad gave me from the 70s and 80s. Their max loads are not even listed anymore. You've got to wonder how a Sierra book and a Hodgdon book will show how to obtain 3000 fps with the same powder and bullet but have two different powder amounts?

[Sonof12]

My dad has a Howa 270 and the deer load of choice is a 130 gn ballistic tip in remington brass and primers with 53 gns of H414. Shoots about 3000 fps into nice clover prints.

[Zeke-BE]

So my up date on my gun is that the w760 is pumping the speed. Nosler book most accurate load for the 760 is their max load of 53.0, books says 3018 fps but I'm cranking out 3060 fps with that load. Huh all my slow burning powders can't get anywhere but my fast 760 burning powder goes even faster. I went out Friday to sight in my new vortex scope and checking the accuracy of that round. I was shooting 1" to 1-1/4" grouping. Should I stick with that and maybe back off a grain of powder and see if I can get a better grouping???

 

About the 130 grain yes I've heard that is the prime round. But I think times are changing. That 140 grain accubound shoots a B.C of 0.496 while the best B.C. For the 130 grain is shooting 0.435 plus a little more knock down power in which I'm searching for those 400 -500 yard shots. But the 150 grain accubond Long Range has a B.C. Of 0.625 and groups very well. However I've (read) on a few sites they all have the same problem of not mushrooming within 400 yards. A quite of bit of hunters said that it just past right through them and were displeased with it. One guy called up Nosler and they said that you shoot the deer to close. ????? Ok??? Most of them were saying just stick with the regular accubond. Like I said I read this somewhere.