Youth Tag Donation?

[wildwoody]

3 minutes ago, MogollonMan said:

I don't think I said he is dishonest. But he is wrong. Likely just misunderstood or was misguided.

No you did not,  just didn't think he would he would say that if that wasn't what he was told. I guess makes know difference to me. Sorry

[MogollonMan]

37 minutes ago, wildwoody said:

Ya like my buddy hoghntr, bless his sole. Some none service people had problems with him getting tags, finally his service for our country got the best of him. He deserved every tag and he got . Most tags he gotten due to people donating them with in days or the day before the hunt and no one else could do it. Miss that guy.

I knew him as well. Outstanding guy. But one doesn't have anything to do with the other. These programs are too often misused and at times abused.  

[Hoss50]

On 8/15/2025 at 3:04 PM, MogollonMan said:

I don't think I said he is dishonest. But he is wrong. Likely just misunderstood or was misguided.

I emailed G&F directly. Here is the cut and paste of that email. The option to turn the tag into them is not given because I didn't have point guard, and the surrender form they sent only gives the surrender option with point guard. 

 

Good afternoon, 

If you purchased PointGuard and are wanting to surrender the tags to the department you will need to complete the attached form to have the bonus points reinstated plus one for the current year.  If you did not purchase PointGuard you may donate the tags to one of the non-profit agencies we work with that take youth hunters who have life threatening illnesses or have lost a parent who was in the line of duty for the U.S. Armed Forces or employed as a peace officer or firefighter.  Below is a listing of qualified organizations that will accept youth tags.  Please contact one of the non-profit agencies directly to donate. The non-profit agency will provide a tax deduction form for the donation of the tag.

Thank you.

[Flatlander]

On 8/15/2025 at 11:36 AM, MogollonMan said:

Or return it to AZGFD so it can go to the next person in line (what a crazy idea 😒).

Some of these donation organizations are great. Others seem to give primo tags to the same people over and over again year after year in an eye-raising manner. I'm over that and everyone should be.

Please tell me more about what I should or shouldn’t think. 
 

While you’re at it go ahead and provide evidence to support your claims.

Or, take the easy way out and continue to slander broad groups of charities selflessly serving others.

A lot of sour grapes over a youth javelina tag.

[Coues247]

3 hours ago, Flatlander said:

Please tell me more about what I should or shouldn’t think. 
 

While you’re at it go ahead and provide evidence to support your claims.

Or, take the easy way out and continue to slander broad groups of charities selflessly serving others.

A lot of sour grapes over a youth javelina tag.

For what it's worth (and could be total BS) I heard that there is an audit taking place or will take place soon on some of these groups that have been giving out a suspicious amount of tags to certain people that dont actually qualify or the same people several tags. Sounds like BS but I dont think it would hurt to take a look every now and then. Wish they'd do the same for the actual draw system like Nevada does. 

 

[Flatlander]

8 minutes ago, Coues247 said:

For what it's worth (and could be total BS) I heard that there is an audit taking place or will take place soon on some of these groups that have been giving out a suspicious amount of tags to certain people that dont actually qualify or the same people several tags. Sounds like BS but I dont think it would hurt to take a look every now and then. Wish they'd do the same for the actual draw system like Nevada does. 

 

Accountability is always a good thing.

Publicly broadcasting hearsay out of jealousy is nonsense.

[Hoss50]

On 8/15/2025 at 12:16 PM, MogollonMan said:

They will. I think the OP just thought he would get his points back if he returned it and is confused there. You don't have to have point guard to return a tag.

Here is the follow up to ask if I could surrender it back to AZGFD.

 

Good afternoon,

Your tags may not be surrendered back to Arizona Game and Fish without PointGuard.  

Thank you

[MogollonMan]

11 hours ago, Flatlander said:

Please tell me more about what I should or shouldn’t think. 
 

While you’re at it go ahead and provide evidence to support your claims.

Or, take the easy way out and continue to slander broad groups of charities selflessly serving others.

A lot of sour grapes over a youth javelina tag.

WOW! Just curious why this upsets you so much? I have first-person experience with some of these individuals and groups and seen the abuse. I'm not just talking about youth javelina tags.

Are you suggesting no one person has received multiple tags from these organizations, and in back-to-back years?

[Flatlander]

14 hours ago, MogollonMan said:

WOW! Just curious why this upsets you so much? I have first-person experience with some of these individuals and groups and seen the abuse. I'm not just talking about youth javelina tags.

Are you suggesting no one person has received multiple tags from these organizations, and in back-to-back years?

I guess you could say that broadly targeting groups of people, who are already experiencing some pretty shitty circumstances with limited anecdotal evidence, is a pet peeve of mine.

Not sure if you saw the original post, but the OP was asking specifically about a youth javelina tag, which he cannot return in the manor you suggested. Seems like there is an axe to grind here. If you have a specific situation you are unhappy with maybe you can address that situation directly with those involved or the department. There is a lot that goes into these programs that is not seen through the public lens and understanding the entire process may be insightful.

[MogollonMan]

4 hours ago, Flatlander said:

I guess you could say that broadly targeting groups of people, who are already experiencing some pretty shitty circumstances with limited anecdotal evidence, is a pet peeve of mine.

Not sure if you saw the original post, but the OP was asking specifically about a youth javelina tag, which he cannot return in the manor you suggested. Seems like there is an axe to grind here. If you have a specific situation you are unhappy with maybe you can address that situation directly with those involved or the department. There is a lot that goes into these programs that is not seen through the public lens and understanding the entire process may be insightful.

Very fair comments. I have had personal first hand experience with individuals involved with more than one of these programs that has soured me and turned me off to all of them, and I admit that is not fair. No doubt some are outstanding organizations. But until some form oversight is put into place, I'll have a hard time supporting them and would rather see the tag go to the next person in line.

[eddielasvegas]

7 minutes ago, MogollonMan said:

Very fair comments. I have had personal first hand experience with individuals involved with more than one of these programs that has soured me and turned me off to all of them, and I admit that is not fair. No doubt some are outstanding organizations. But until some form oversight is put into place, I'll have a hard time supporting them and would rather see the tag go to the next person in line.

Please tell us.  I'm not asking cuz I think you are full of it, but I truly want to know since I donated an elk tag a couple years and the last thing I want to do is reward (so to speak) questionable or bad behavior.

 

Eddie 

[MogollonMan]

11 minutes ago, eddielasvegas said:

Please tell us.  I'm not asking cuz I think you are full of it, but I truly want to know since I donated an elk tag a couple years and the last thing I want to do is reward (so to speak) questionable or bad behavior.

 

Eddie 

Some of the parties involved are members and contributors of this site and I've already spoken with some of them individually about my concerns. I'm not looking to get back into it in a public forum.

[Flatlander]

1 hour ago, MogollonMan said:

Very fair comments. I have had personal first hand experience with individuals involved with more than one of these programs that has soured me and turned me off to all of them, and I admit that is not fair. No doubt some are outstanding organizations. But until some form oversight is put into place, I'll have a hard time supporting them and would rather see the tag go to the next person in line.

One of the more thoughtful interactions I have had here. Thanks.

[idgaf]

14 minutes ago, Flatlander said:

One of the more thoughtful interactions I have had here. Thanks.

Andrew,

Maybe you can explain the process of tag dispersion. I think they are questioning the subjectivity of allotment. 

[Flatlander]

1 hour ago, idgaf said:

Andrew,

Maybe you can explain the process of tag dispersion. I think they are questioning the subjectivity of allotment. 

Well it’s a bit of a black box that does not have a great deal of transparency, which should be addressed. Again, accountability is good.

But, the way I have experienced this, is that the charity keeps a file of eligible program participants and their preferences (elk, mule deer, etc) and endorsements (crossbow, CHAMP, etc) abilities, along with a list of tags they have received.

Once they have a tag they compare it to their list of participants and start making calls. Most of the tags I have seen distributed were on very short notice, often less than a week. So the charity is trying to balance the needs of participants with their capabilities, their availability and their past hunts.

So this means those who have the means to hire help, the availability availability to go at a moments notice and / or the ability to hunt on their own may receive more tags than those who are less available or less capable.

It’s certainly not perfect, nor precise. But if you see a single person receive more tags than another it could be for one of many reasons.