trphyhntr Report post Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, Flatlander said: More interesting question… if there was no probably cause, and he requested to search your pack, would you let him? do they ever not have probable cause? I have to imagine if they want to they can think of something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted 15 hours ago 28 minutes ago, trphyhntr said: do they ever not have probable cause? I have to imagine if they want to they can think of something Gotta be able to prove it in a court of law to a "reasonable" level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2horns Report post Posted 14 hours ago Reasonable suspicion is easier to prove vs probable cause, but as previously stated, its what you can prove in court. Like on a first date, just say no! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted 12 hours ago 2 hours ago, firstcoueswas80 said: Gotta be able to prove it in a court of law to a "reasonable" level. It’s at the officers discretion, no? The judge isn’t in the field. Could be thrown out after the fact, with a good lawyer. But he still could say he has cause on the scene at his discretion, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted 12 hours ago I would just say yes. Because I’m not trying to be hassled Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted 12 hours ago 1 hour ago, n2horns said: Like on a first date, just say no! What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2horns Report post Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, trphyhntr said: What? You know, when the chick starts to take advantage of you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NOTAGS Report post Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, n2horns said: You know, when the chick starts to take advantage of you Cause that happens, when? How many guys filing sexual assault charges these days… against women? Not rich male actors.. don’t see that much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted 8 hours ago 4 hours ago, trphyhntr said: It’s at the officers discretion, no? The judge isn’t in the field. Could be thrown out after the fact, with a good lawyer. But he still could say he has cause on the scene at his discretion, right? Correct. Officer can state that he had "probable cause", but it has to "make sense" to a "reasonable person" (jury). Like the example listed above, a "reasonable" person would agree that turkey feet sticking out of a backpack outside of turkey season would equal probable cause. However a person decling a consensual search does NOT meet the threshold of PC. Every judge and jury would agree to that, excluding other details. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
