cosninocanines Report post Posted April 29, 2012 Williams Ranger District Williams South.doc White Horse Lake campground.doc Hobble Mtns.doc Sitgraves Mtn.doc Parks.doc JD Dam.doc Hat Ranch.doc Eagle Nest.doc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosninocanines Report post Posted April 29, 2012 Tusayan Ranger District Homestaed Tank.doc Tusayan West.doc Tusayan East.doc Coconino Rim North.doc Coconino Rim South.doc Red Butte.doc Anita Station.doc Ten X.doc Tusayan Insert.doc Upper Basin.doc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosninocanines Report post Posted April 29, 2012 The North Kaibab has not completed their plan yet and the BLM is also working on a plan for their roads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luke duke Report post Posted April 29, 2012 Thanks for the maps! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted April 30, 2012 Does anyone know the details behind the Agriculture Department's Forest Service and the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management deciding to eliminate thousands of miles of roads? Was there an act of Congress that we ignored? Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rthrbhntng Report post Posted April 30, 2012 Does anyone know the details behind the Agriculture Department's Forest Service and the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management deciding to eliminate thousands of miles of roads? Was there an act of Congress that we ignored? http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/ Keep in mind and read through the documents provided that the FS in most cases are closing "USER CREATED" roads. These were unauthorized roads created without permission from any agency and with out review and oversight. These are the most destructive types of roads to the forest. On another note had the FS been more proactive about creating more access then we wouldn't have had as many user created roads. People wanted more access and did it their way and the FS stood back and let it happen and now both sides are at odds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted April 30, 2012 Some (if not most) of these roads have existed for decades. Why close them now? Although land managers may feel they "go nowhere" and "serve no purpose," each goes somewhere and, more importantly, they serve to disperse hunters, campers and other users of the public's land. Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthonyrmatthews Report post Posted April 30, 2012 Bill, I do believe this was a national plan passed down from Washington to be implemented. Each forest just chooses how far they want to go with it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosninocanines Report post Posted May 1, 2012 Here's the deal! I believe the other agencies under Federal regulation were included either before or after this rule was adopted. The Federal Register Notice (73 FR 74689) for the final travel management directives was published on December 9, 2008. The directives became effective January 8, 2009. Travel Management Rule (36 CFR 212, Subpart B, Designation of Roads, Trails, and Areas for Motor Vehicle Use) Highlights of the Rule •The rule requires each national forest or ranger district to designate those roads, trails, and areas open to motor vehicles. •Designation will include class of vehicle and, if appropriate, time of year for motor vehicle use. A given route, for example, could be designated for use by motorcycles, ATVs, or street-legal vehicles. •Once designation is complete, the rule will prohibit motor vehicle use off the designated system or inconsistent with the designations. •Designation decisions will be made locally, with public input and in coordination with state, local, and tribal governments. •Designations will be shown on a motor vehicle use map. Use inconsistent with the designations will be prohibited. •Final rule, as published in the Federal Register (pdf, 29 pages, 219 kb) If you want to read up on it here's a link http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted May 1, 2012 Interesting. The final order for Agriculture's forest service was published at the end of Mr. Obama's first year in office. Wonder how long it took to reach that stage, and if the orders for agencies in Interior and other departments had the same time frame? I repeat my previous question. These roads on the public's lands have been around for decades. Why the rush to close them now? Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjhunt2 Report post Posted May 1, 2012 Some (if not most) of these roads have existed for decades. Why close them now? Although land managers may feel they "go nowhere" and "serve no purpose," each goes somewhere and, more importantly, they serve to disperse hunters, campers and other users of the public's land. Bill Quimby +1 TJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Santana Outdoors Report post Posted May 1, 2012 My favorite Camp spot is gone! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coues krazy Report post Posted May 1, 2012 My favorite Camp spot is gone! Oh you can still camp there, just cant drive there.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azslim Report post Posted May 2, 2012 they've eliminated all of my campsites, I tend to move to the back of little used 2 tracks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flash Report post Posted May 2, 2012 You guys, please help get this fixed by being a pain in the neck. Write and call your politicians and the district rangers and forest supervisor and inform your neighbors. We can get this changed but they are banking on people not putting the effort into complaints. The roads that were closed and crazy 30' camping rule was decided by the few policy makers that don't spend time in the forest they manage. The field workers are embaresed and upset with what is going on and need help making the forest supervisor and district rangers not want to deal with it. The kaibab did not follow the intent of eliminating cross country travel and getting rid of new wood cutter roads that popped up. Don't let them get away with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
