TwoGuns

Very cool. Makes me think of an old song... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5tdj2_KSGJ0

I brought this up on here during the comment phase of the process. No one really seemed to care, but living in the verde valley, there is a ton of hunting to do along the Verde river...or there was.

Thanks RR, that’s what I was guessing. I really like Leicas, but need to get one that can get a little farther out.

RR, what’s the true effective range of this RF on deer/elk? I’m looking for one to pick up for long range shooting. Thanks

So someone enlighten me how it is that I drew my 2nd choice Javi tag and there are 80+ left over of my first choice?

https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/nature/puma-loss.htm

In addition, the Commission and Department have received a number of complaints about persons archery hunting near their private property. The Commission proposes to amend the rule to prohibit the discharge of hybrid device, arrow, or bolt while taking wildlife within one-fourth mile of an occupied farmhouse or other residence, cabin, lodge or building without permission of the owner or resident, to increase consistency between statute and rules. This language mirrors statutory language under A.R.S. § 17-309, which prohibits a person from discharging a firearm while taking wildlife within one-fourth mile of an occupied farmhouse or other residence, cabin, lodge, or building without permission of the owner or resident. This change is in response to customer comments received by the Department. In addition, the Commission is aware confusion exists as to what distance constitutes "one-fourth mile" and "one-half mile." The Commission proposes to clarify this distance by also referencing this distance in yards (440 or 880, as applicable) to reduce regulatory uncertainty. This change is in response to customer comments received by the Department

As the population increases the percentage of idiots increases at a faster rate. Thus the need for more idiot laws. Bad for road hunters and people afraid of the deep woods. How about for those of us that live near the verde river and hunt elk, deer, javelina, migratory birds, and bowfish? There are not many places that you can get 1/4 mike from a residence. This would outlaw all that hunting, even though it is safe and most private property owners dont care, or are hunters themselves. This is not an idiot law proposal.

So if this goes into effect, imagine the phone calls to game and fish... If you walk within 1/4 mile of private property, carrying your bow, and someone calls it in that you are hunting inside of 1/4 mile, does anyone believe they won't get a ticket? Then, it will be off to court to prove your innocence. Because obviously it won't stop people from complaining to the department. Anti-hunters will always complain, and if AZGFD starts giving away hunting privileges just for appeasement, we are off the slippery slope as it were.

Ya, rather ironic that in metro units they have this rule...

If I m reading this right, this is not good... Under A.R.S. § 17-309(A)(4), it is unlawful to discharge a firearm while taking wildlife within one-fourth mile of an occupied farmhouse or other residence, cabin, lodge or building without permission of the owner or resident. Under R12-4-303(A)(3)(h), it is unlawful to discharge a pneumatic weapon .30 caliber or larger while taking wildlife within one-fourth mile of an occupied farmhouse or other residence, cabin, lodge or building without permission of the owner or resident. In addition, the Commission is aware of instances where a hunter who lives on the edge of a municipal boundary is unable to archery hunt on his own property because Commission Order closes areas within one-fourth mile of an occupied residence. For example, a hunter who lives on the edge of a forest boundary and who is miles away from the nearest residence is unable to archery hunt on their own property because of the location of their own home. In addition, the Commission and Department have received a number of complaints about persons archery hunting near their private property. The Commission proposes to amend the rule to prohibit the discharge of hybrid device, arrow, or bolt while taking wildlife within one-fourth mile of an occupied farmhouse or other residence, cabin, lodge or building without permission of the owner or resident, to increase consistency between statute and rules. This language mirrors statutory language under A.R.S. § 17-309, which prohibits a person from discharging a firearm while taking wildlife within one-fourth mile of an occupied farmhouse or other residence, cabin, lodge, or building without permission of the owner or resident. This change is in response to customer comments received by the Department. I read it to say that we will not be allowed to archery hunt within 440 yards of residences without their permission. If so, all of us that love hunting along the verde river for birds, javelina, deer and elk are screwed. Somebody tell me I'm wrong... I emailed AZGFD and hope to hear back from them. The only reasoning stated is that some people have complained. Seems like a lot of us will be punished to alleviate the complaining.

Javelina chorizo is so good. Only thing I do with em. But I like the green chili idea, might have to try that.

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You were in a good area, maybe just bad luck. I was up there this morning on the north side of stoneman lake road at the head of rattlesnake. Didn't glass up any coupes but had 4 of them inside of 100 yards run by me, including a nice buck. Until you sit the same spot multiple times you can't know what is around.

I have the same tag and spend a lot of time in 6a. You are in good country around stoneman lake. There are white tails all over, so glassing from a good vantage point is key. Many guys will get up high and just stay behind the glass all day as WT are active a lot of the day. They like to go to water in the middle of the day, so watch the weather and find where they're drinking. I will be doing some scouting this fall so let me know when you are coming up and maybe we can team up.