Duwane Adams ?

[idgaf]

1 hour ago, 654321 said:

Is that what happened because I wasn’t there and never heard the story, you

Thats your defense now of A3 now?  "I wasn't there, we're you?"  

I am just making the comparison for the precedent.   Either, there's a new sheriff in town or certain people/companies get special exemptions from the rules that are enforced. 

[NOTAGS]

 

[654321]

10 hours ago, idgaf said:

Thats your defense now of A3 now?  "I wasn't there, we're you?"  

I am just making the comparison for the precedent.   Either, there's a new sheriff in town or certain people/companies get special exemptions from the rules that are enforced. 

No defense for A3. Plenty of A3 guides have been busted by AZGFD so your special treatment of A3 is garbage. Here's the bottom-line Adams and his client are on a "buck of a lifetime" Nicks own words. They determine the only way to kill the buck is to shoot from the road and it was at that time they choose to break the rules and shoot from the road rather than let the buck go.  

[trphyhntr]

22 hours ago, idgaf said:

It is relevant.  if we are going off of the commission's own precedence.  Not knowing was good enough for jed Larsen not to have his license revoked for the much greater crime of taking a trophy  elk on the reservation.  

 

 

Is debaca LDS? 

[MogollonMan]

3 hours ago, 654321 said:

No defense for A3. Plenty of A3 guides have been busted by AZGFD so your special treatment of A3 is garbage. Here's the bottom-line Adams and his client are on a "buck of a lifetime" Nicks own words. They determine the only way to kill the buck is to shoot from the road and it was at that time they choose to break the rules and shoot from the road rather than let the buck go.  

I think you and Trouble Sh00ter ought to just come out and own the facts that you have major beef with any successful guide or outfitter, and are desperate to disparage them in any way. Facts and common sense seem irrelevant. We now have multiple threads about these recent cases that you two have started and nursed incessantly. Seems to me like little man jealousy syndrome.

[Coues247]

1 hour ago, trphyhntr said:

Is debaca LDS? 

I dont think anyone on the commission is LDS, so why is that a factor? Jed Larsen might be baptized LDS but is far from a practicing member. 

[trphyhntr]

10 minutes ago, Coues247 said:

I dont think anyone on the commission is LDS, so why is that a factor? Jed Larsen might be baptized LDS but is far from a practicing member. 

The commission makes the charges? I thought they were like the judge. Sounds like he wasn’t charged with much

[EarlyBronco]

5 hours ago, 654321 said:

No defense for A3. Plenty of A3 guides have been busted by AZGFD so your special treatment of A3 is garbage. Here's the bottom-line Adams and his client are on a "buck of a lifetime" Nicks own words. They determine the only way to kill the buck is to shoot from the road and it was at that time they choose to break the rules and shoot from the road rather than let the buck go.  

Pics of the buck?

[NOTAGS]

Careful...If you have or share pictures of an unlawfully  taken buck, can you be charged?  

[CatfishKev]

3 hours ago, trphyhntr said:

Is debaca LDS? 

Pretty sure he is not.  

[654321]

3 hours ago, MogollonMan said:

I think you and Trouble Sh00ter ought to just come out and own the facts that you have major beef with any successful guide or outfitter, and are desperate to disparage them in any way. Facts and common sense seem irrelevant. We now have multiple threads about these recent cases that you two have started and nursed incessantly. Seems to me like little man jealousy syndrome.

I’ve got 2 good friends that guide so no problem with guides, just doesn’t break my heart when they get busted. My guess is the first time they got convicted is just the first time they got caught.

[AZCoueser]

1 hour ago, NOTAGS said:

Careful...If you have or share pictures of an unlawfully  taken buck, can you be charged?  

5-yr revocation and GF will offer other members of the forum a plea deal to testify against you. 

[MogollonMan]

4 hours ago, 654321 said:

I’ve got 2 good friends that guide so no problem with guides, just doesn’t break my heart when they get busted. My guess is the first time they got convicted is just the first time they got caught.

The biggest difference between guys like you, Trouble Sh00ter, members of the commission, and a lot of these guides is the fine line of hypocrisy. I'd bet a month’s pay that every one of us who have hunter more than a few season have unintentionally and unknowingly (as I believe was the case with both guides discussed here) committed as egregious of violations. Most of them would probably warrant a warning, small fine, or assigned education. But the commission, and you keyboard jurors, feeling max penalties and 5 year revocations are appropriate for these individuals is disgusting and abuse of power on the part of the commission.

[Coues247]

2 hours ago, trphyhntr said:

The commission makes the charges? I thought they were like the judge. Sounds like he wasn’t charged with much

Gotcha, I misunderstood what you were saying. You are correct but still find it hard to believe whichever officer was in charge wouldn't charge him because he is LDS. Much more likely he wasnt charged because he was one of the main men at A3. 

[TR0UBLE SH00TER]

21 hours ago, MogollonMan said:

- “I don't know the man. I am just fed up with AZGFD overreach, bias, and bad WMs." 

- ”These court hearings are as suspicious as the commission hearings.”

- ”It was clear that anything said by either party or attorney was irrelevant.” 

- ”The commission members are biased know-it-alls who are reinventing laws on the fly, and if you have shown yourself to be a highly successful guide or hunter, they are going to seek out any opportunity to make an example of you.”

- ”Untrained under qualified judges with overzealous prosecutors (out of Colorado City none the less), WMs who get a little tingle in their dingle at the prospect of “getting” a well known guide, and AZGFD who has repeatedly demonstrated they have no respect for their own boundaries. Talk about a giant circle jerk!”

- ”Based on this limited information, it seems Mr. Koury is a victim of another AZGFD overreach.”

- “So if all of this is accurate, Mr. Koury should absolutely win his appeal, the warden should be reprimanded, and AZGFD needs to apologize for their abuse of authority AGAIN.”

-”What a joke! Both Debaca and Koury got screwed because of who they are more than what they did.”

- ”Don't pretend you don't have a personal axe to grind and weren't rubbing one out as the revocations weren't being announced.” 

- ”I would suspect you have some bias against Mr. Koury or guides in general? Seems something is clouding your basic logic?”

- ”I think you and Trouble Sh00ter ought to just come out and own the facts that you have major beef with any successful guide or outfitter, and are desperate to disparage them in any way. Seems to me like little man jealousy syndrome.”

- “The biggest difference between guys like you, Trouble Sh00ter, members of the commission, and a lot of these guides is the fine line of hypocrisy.” 

- ”I'd bet a month’s pay that every one of us who have hunter more than a few season have unintentionally and unknowingly (as I believe was the case with both guides discussed here) committed as egregious of violations.” 

- ”But the commission, and you keyboard jurors, feeling max penalties and 5 year revocations are appropriate for these individuals is disgusting and abuse of power on the part of the commission.”

The thread I started was simply a link to the January commission meeting.

 

The quotes listed above were all written by you, and taken from the 3 threads you are referring to.

It would appear that you’re the one with the personal axe to grind, with the commission and courts.

 

People use ad hominem attacks when they lack a strong argument, so they attempt to discredit someone’s

character or motives, rather than addressing the substance of what they’ve said.

 

You're free to critique any of my words, but the personal attacks on my character aren’t appreciated.