This is insane...

[Guest 300ultramag.]

I would listen to Scottyboy this guy hunts bull elephants for FUN. Call me crazy but u just dont argue with a guy like that... but a little fuzzy feeling in my belly says dback is gonna give u an earful of the brown stuff!

 

 

ha haha ha ha ha

 

 

 

 

[AZMEATHUNTER]

scottyboy

amen,amen!!!!

 

 

"What a puccified, spineless cesspool we've let this country become.. my forefathers who were killed and had to kill for this country are rolling over in their graves right now.. "

 

RIGHT IN THE TEN RING WITH THAT ONE!!!!!!!1

 

 

 

if it were not for a bunch of "rhino hided" forfathers with jumpy horses,rope and the heart and guts to stand for what is right and just man...just think of where we would be now ouch!! i am not sure most people know what is right/wrong kind of like breaking into MY country!! that is exactly what the "aliens" are doing (does anyone think for a second they don't know it's wrong?) and some people act like it's no big deal nevermind to hordes of drugs they bring across to get our kids hooked right? man just the trash i see down mearns hunting makes me want to puke!! i guess most people would be ok if that was their "yard" me guesses not!

a person can sit in their recliner in pv,mesa,flag wherever and think "wow a guy holding someone at gunpoint for treaspassing (never mind the fact the guy has handed over 12,000 thieves)thats dispicable" but if we really can about our country we would be giving the guy a banquet in his name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

just 2 more of my cents

azmeat

[KGAINES]

I would take my chances with a jury. If someone is stealing from my property I might not shoot first, if they are in my house they are dead, and I don't care where I am if someone messes with one of my kids I will kill them, I will hunt them down if I have to, and I would go to jail just to kill that kind of scum. Truthfully I HATE thiefs and pedophiles that are citizens more than I do the guy trying to sneak across the border to work, but they are both criminals. As far as drug dealers sneaking across I think Scotty and the rest of our officers and agents should be able to shoot first and not risk his life by telling them to freeze, or worrying about some miranda rights. If most of us were allowed to use common sense a lot of this crap wouldn't happen, and yes I would shoot a thief trying to steal my car or truck. If I was sure about it I would shoot a thief trying to steal a neighbors stuff. Thieves nowdays have no punishment really. it takes a few times getting busted before they serve time, or at least any real time. We are probably harder on drunk drivers than we are thieves. Three felonies and they should just shoot you and be done with it, deport you a couple of times and then they should drop you off in southern Chile, then it would take a while to make it back, unless you are a drug smuggler then they should let you go at about 20,000 feet, and that should go for any drug dealer or smuggler.

[Diamondbackaz]

Diamondback, it's attitudes like yours that has turned this country into the pisspot it is now.. You can try and peddle your point of view all you want on here, but 99.9% of all readers on THIS site are going to disagree with you on this..no matter what you say. Its a crying shame that a man can't protect what's his anymore..

 

Sorry bout your buddy(ex student).. My stance is he shouldn't have been hanging with a thief. If he wasn't, he'd still have his life and the Jeep owner would still have his freedom. Sucks anyway you look at it. Sounds to me that you have a personal feeling towards this topic because of this past experience and now want to throw your bitter opinion out there for all of us to read and agree with.. Fat chance.

 

Now get pissy and let me have it.. I've said it before on here, I have skin like a rhino's rump.. All they are are typed words.

 

Wrong!!! Read my posts. My argument has never been that a person doesn't have the right to protect his property, he does. If someone is inside his house, heck yes, stop him with deadly force if need be. What about a person just walking across open desert doing no damage other than simple trespassing, do you drop your gun barrel on them?

My argument is how you do it. If you are going to use fire arms, you have to be careful not to open yourself up to trouble. Are you willing to give up everything you worked for poor judgemnet? Remember the border patrol agents in Texas that got in trouble for shooting a known drug smugler.

 

Go here and read pages 39-41 of this document by DPS. http://ccw.azdps.gov/procedures/documents/ccw_legal.pdf

[AZbowhntr]

If they were just walking across the open desert it would be one thing. But they aren't. I'm sure that you have seen the pictures posted on this site. Some of them look like someone went out to the city dump and took a picture. It is that bad. And that doesn't include damages to the property. How much do you think it costs to clean something like that up? In a case like that I feel that the property is the same as your home. You have every right to protect it. And you would be insane to try to protect it without a gun. Everyone is right about how people don't want to get involved unless it personally affects them.

[KGAINES]

I suppose you could ask them if they are armed prior to pulling your gun, I am sure that would go well. Pretty sure they all speak english well enough to know what was said, second if you said it in spanish; la helada hace usted tiene cualquier arma, the only response I would uderstand would be si or no, other than that what do you do, and these would be the most trustworthy people out there, plus the minute you didn't have a gun and the numbers are 16 to 1 you are probably on the wrong end of an butt whippin . If this guy wasn't out there shooting these people and was just catching them on his property I don't have a problem with it. It would seem sort of stupid for him to abuse these people and then turn them in, that doesn't make sense, what does make sense is that there are lawyers out there that look to make a buck of anyone for anything. It is also a sad day when our border patrol can't shoot drug dealers without getting into trouble, same goes for the police, when drugs are involved the situation can be almost impossibe to predict.

[az4life]

I want to add that true use of force, not just apprehension, detention, deportation,

(otherwise known as Catch & Release) would do a lot to stop this invasion, the property destruction, Damage, and trashing of the land. If true enforcement began, it would not take long for the flood to dry up. No illegal would be able to commit a crime in the US if they did not come here illegally in the first place. As long as they get a free pass, it will not change.

 

If this was someone trying to get into Mexico, they catch you and put you in prison.

You Pay big time to get out. Protest it and they tell you it is their country and it's your fault for doing something illegal.

That is what we need to do for those breaking in to this country.

[Kilimanjaro]

What about a person just walking across open desert doing no damage other than simple trespassing, do you drop your gun barrel on them?

My argument is how you do it.

 

Remember the border patrol agents in Texas that got in trouble for shooting a known drug smugler.

 

 

Do I?? Yep...almost everynight. A full auto M4 barrel or a freshly racked Rem. 870 12 ga. speaks in ways that I never could..

 

You tell me how you can tell the diff. between Juan from Chiapas, who is headed to the fields of San Joaquin simpily to pick lettuce, and from Jose, who is returning to New York and who has raped 2 small children, and murdered an innocent woman.. Oh yeah, he likes to travel the "open desert" armed to the gills and has a true hatred of being caught.

 

I treat everyone with an iron fist until I'm out of the pitch dark desert, have backup, and they have all been searched... If you can tell the difference between the two folks I've mentioned above just by simpily looking at them, while your alone in the desert, its dark, and your backup is 10 miles away, I know about 15K BP Agents who'd like to know. You could sell your expertise to us and get really rich.

 

And please, don't insult me.. Do I remember the Agents in TX??

 

This is the only country where to come in illegally wont land you in the slammer for a good stint. And its guys like you, with your mentality that have made it that way.. Go sneak into Mexico, get caught, and report back to us what happens to ya.. One thing's for certain, you'd have a diff. attitude when you were finally released.

[Diamondbackaz]

What about a person just walking across open desert doing no damage other than simple trespassing, do you drop your gun barrel on them?

My argument is how you do it.

 

Remember the border patrol agents in Texas that got in trouble for shooting a known drug smugler.

 

 

Do I?? Yep...almost everynight. A full auto M4 barrel or a freshly racked Rem. 870 12 ga. speaks in ways that I never could..

 

You tell me how you can tell the diff. between Juan from Chiapas, who is headed to the fields of San Joaquin simpily to pick lettuce, and from Jose, who is returning to New York and who has raped 2 small children, and murdered an innocent woman.. Oh yeah, he likes to travel the "open desert" armed to the gills and has a true hatred of being caught.

 

I treat everyone with an iron fist until I'm out of the pitch dark desert, have backup, and they have all been searched... If you can tell the difference between the two folks I've mentioned above just by simpily looking at them, while your alone in the desert, its dark, and your backup is 10 miles away, I know about 15K BP Agents who'd like to know. You could sell your expertise to us and get really rich.

 

And please, don't insult me.. Do I remember the Agents in TX??

 

This is the only country where to come in illegally wont land you in the slammer for a good stint. And its guys like you, with your mentality that have made it that way.. Go sneak into Mexico, get caught, and report back to us what happens to ya.. One thing's for certain, you'd have a diff. attitude when you were finally released.

 

Your aproach is appropriate since it is your job do so and apprehend border crossers. Yes, you have a tough job and I value all that BP does and I applaud you for it. Is it Barnett's job to apprehend?

 

I supported those Texas agents and I supported Bushe's commutation of their sentences. I did not support them lying about what happened.

[Kilimanjaro]

Is it Barnett's job to apprehend?

 

Therein again back to the point of this whole mess of a post.. It's his PRIVATE ranch.. So I, along with MANY others on here, wholeheartedly say YES!!!!

 

And just a quick reference to your use of the word "apprehend".. He isn't apprehending them in the eyes of his defense and in the eyes of the court.. He is mearly DETAINING them. To apprehend them is the phrase the prosecution will try to slander him with when trial begins. To apprehend/arrest them is what I get to do when I show up..

Remember, innocent till proven guilty. Although that gets thinner by the day anymore.

[Idahocoueshunter]

Being in law enforcement, nothing suprises me anymore. Even jury decisions, although seemingly obvious, are outrageously wrong. Look at OJ.

[.270]

one thing this guy has going against him is that he has already been sued and lost to some legal deer hunters that he ascosted on his place. they were legal in the fact that they are Americans and were hunting deer and were not illegal aliens. not for sure if they were on his private property. i would almost assume they weren't, of there wouldn't have been much of a case. but he did hold them agains their will and he lost the suit and it they were awarded a fair amount of $'s in the deal. anyway, that ain't gonna help him in any in this deal. i hope he wins this one for sure, but the other one ain't gonna help. i think he has appealed it and maybe can win in the appeals court. i think he is also a retired deputy sherrif. Lark.

[azhuntnut]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/200...ion0217-ON.html

[Red Rabbit]

more:

http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2009/02/...barnett_c_1.php

[hunterdude]

Hey Diamondback so if I was a S**T Bag and breaking into your truck to steal a gun are you saying that you would not shoot me? I guess that you also believe that we owe everything to the Government and that we should let them control our health care and make us live in a socialist country! If you owned a large farm and grew fruits and vegitable and everyone on this site "just this Site" was to drive across your fields and leave our trash and ruined your crops, you would have no hard feelings or even try to stop us becuase it is not costing you any money or hurting your land for future crop growth. Keep in mind you are the one working this land to help make a living for yourself and your family! If there is nothing wrong with any of this let me know!