Crossbow permit repeal

[cactusjack]

That is what has been proposed.  30day comment period starts July 1

[Hunting Fool]

I think is a little ridiculous that anyone that holds a CHAMP permit will have to renew it again.  My question is why?  I bet folks like the past Phoenix Mayor won't need to renew it

 

[Flatlander]

42 minutes ago, Hunting Fool said:

I think is a little ridiculous that anyone that holds a CHAMP permit will have to renew it again.  My question is why?  I bet folks like the past Phoenix Mayor won't need to renew it

 

Because they want it to be done by a specific kind of doctor. But I don’t think this group of people know what doctors could diagnose these kinds of conditions nor do I think the dept wants to be in the middle of lawsuits about requiring people with disabilities to visit doctors they would not need to visit otherwise for a signature for something that has nothing to do with their area of specialty. 
 

For instance, someone with a neurological condition may meet all of the other requirements but not be treated by an orthopedic surgeon, because their condition is primarily related to the nervous system. Under this proposal that person would need to visit a specialist who knows nothing about their condition, potentially obtaining a referral to do so (which would require another office visit and associated cost), providing medical history, and then helping them understand the process designated by AZGFD.

Seems like an awful lot of burden to heap onto people who already have to deal with a lot just to prevent a few people from maintaining their CHAMP permit because they aren’t disabled enough.

This whole thing just wreaks of jealousy and self-preservation.

[yotebuster]

1 hour ago, Flatlander said:

Because they want it to be done by a specific kind of doctor. But I don’t think this group of people know what doctors could diagnose these kinds of conditions nor do I think the dept wants to be in the middle of lawsuits about requiring people with disabilities to visit doctors they would not need to visit otherwise for a signature for something that has nothing to do with their area of specialty. 
 

For instance, someone with a neurological condition may meet all of the other requirements but not be treated by an orthopedic surgeon, because their condition is primarily related to the nervous system. Under this proposal that person would need to visit a specialist who knows nothing about their condition, potentially obtaining a referral to do so (which would require another office visit and associated cost), providing medical history, and then helping them understand the process designated by AZGFD.

Seems like an awful lot of burden to heap onto people who already have to deal with a lot just to prevent a few people from maintaining their CHAMP permit because they aren’t disabled enough.

This whole thing just wreaks of jealousy and self-preservation.

Agreed.  Also a lot of specialists are 8-16 months out to get an appointment.  If someone draws an archery deer tag and has 6 weeks to opener and has to get in with a specialist for a permit it’s going to create a mess.  

[Flatlander]

Most importantly though, why would we make life harder for people who already have a harder life. So compound Bowhunters can hunt whatever unit they want?
 

No thanks. I’d rather a few people abuse the privilege than make life tougher than needed for those who actually have a problem. If that impacts my opportunity, I can live with that.

[654321]

1 hour ago, Flatlander said:

Most importantly though, why would we make life harder for people who already have a harder life. So compound Bowhunters can hunt whatever unit they want?
 

No thanks. I’d rather a few people abuse the privilege than make life tougher than needed for those who actually have a problem. If that impacts my opportunity, I can live with that.

Unfortunately I think the data has shown it’s quite a bit more than a “few” people abusing the privilege.

[PRDATR]

1 hour ago, yotebuster said:

Agreed.  Also a lot of specialists are 8-16 months out to get an appointment.  If someone draws an archery deer tag and has 6 weeks to opener and has to get in with a specialist for a permit it’s going to create a mess.  

I've been getting some numbness and twinges in what I thought was my hip. I made an appointment with OrthoAZ and saw an Orthopedic Surgeon in two weeks. People living in more remote area outside of Metro Phoenix may have a longer wait.

[Flatlander]

10 minutes ago, 654321 said:

Unfortunately I think the data has shown it’s quite a bit more than a “few” people abusing the privilege.

This is in reference to CHAMP permits, not crossbow permits.

That being said… I don’t think anyone has presented any actual data on fraudulent crossbow use. If they have, I would be interested to see how that info was gathered.

[yotebuster]

1 hour ago, PRDATR said:

I've been getting some numbness and twinges in what I thought was my hip. I made an appointment with OrthoAZ and saw an Orthopedic Surgeon in two weeks. People living in more remote area outside of Metro Phoenix may have a longer wait.

I’m trying to switch rheumatologists right now.  My current one is a 2.5 hr drive and the one I’m switching to is booked out until march of 2027.  

[cactusjack]

4 hours ago, Flatlander said:

Most importantly though, why would we make life harder for people who already have a harder life. So compound Bowhunters can hunt whatever unit they want?
 

No thanks. I’d rather a few people abuse the privilege than make life tougher than needed for those who actually have a problem. If that impacts my opportunity, I can live with that.

That is the most compassionate response and thank you.   

[Mattman215]

Removing the permit seems to fix nothing but possibly not allowing people with disabilities to hunt. Limit tags and it’s a non issue.