Champ and Crossbow Permit Proposed Changes

[Roofer Billy]

9 minutes ago, coueswt said:

I can not believe all the complaints of the changes. Been abused and finally getting resolved. Some elk camps in 9 all the hunters had crossbows.  Archery is true archery now except for the few true  exemptions needed. If can’t hunt with a bow then don’t put in for archery. 

if you can't hunt with a bow don't put in for Archery. Wow.. very very selfish. And if I'm correct. Recurve BOW, Compound BOW and a CROSSBOW are all characterized as a BOW . 

Just because Az Game and Fish chose not to recognize it. Doesn't change the fact Crossbows are a legit legal BOW. 

 

[654321]

9 minutes ago, Roofer Billy said:

if you can't hunt with a bow don't put in for Archery. Wow.. very very selfish. And if I'm correct. Recurve BOW, Compound BOW and a CROSSBOW are all characterized as a BOW . 

Just because Az Game and Fish chose not to recognize it. Doesn't change the fact Crossbows are a legit legal BOW. 

 

Bow means any hunting instrument designed for the purpose of propelling arrows which is drawn and held by and through the efforts of the person releasing, but does not include crossbow.

[Flatlander]

2 hours ago, Roofer Billy said:

I went to game and fish this morning. Regarding the crossbow permit changes. Next year and for the years following. If You have a crossbow permit. You will need to renew it Annually. NO MORE PERMANENT PERMITS .. if you have one now. You can use it until the end of June. Then you will need to renew your permit. I told them what crossbow. I have and how I have it set up. 

They told Me. It was a nice set up and No changes need to be made. 

Only thing I got out of it was the yearly renewal. 

Billy what sight are you using? That’s the part that I think will be toughest to navigate.

[BOHNTR]

1 hour ago, Roofer Billy said:

if you can't hunt with a bow don't put in for Archery. Wow.. very very selfish. And if I'm correct. Recurve BOW, Compound BOW and a CROSSBOW are all characterized as a BOW . 

Just because Az Game and Fish chose not to recognize it. Doesn't change the fact Crossbows are a legit legal BOW. 

 

I guess with that train of thought a sea horse must be a horse?  😂

[Roofer Billy]

Just now, Flatlander said:

Billy what sight are you using? That’s the part that I think will be toughest to navigate.

I actually set down with two Game and Fish Employees this morning in Mesa. And what I wrote is what I was told. I googled and got several different Answers. Including that I could no longer use it as of January first. And only use it for the HAM. Hunt. 

[Roofer Billy]

3 minutes ago, BOHNTR said:

I guess with that train of thought a sea horse must be a horse?  😂

😁🤣 heck yeah why not. There's people who think a donkey is a horse. Or a mule is a horse. So why can't I think a sea horse is a horse???. 

[Flatlander]

11 minutes ago, Roofer Billy said:

I actually set down with two Game and Fish Employees this morning in Mesa. And what I wrote is what I was told. I googled and got several different Answers. Including that I could no longer use it as of January first. And only use it for the HAM. Hunt. 

But which optic. Is it a scope? Open sights?

[Roofer Billy]

3 minutes ago, Flatlander said:

But which optic. Is it a scope? Open sights?

I Have a MA3TY Scope on mine. It has variable speed adjustment. And illuminated sights. Ranging from 20 to 100 yards .  I was told it was okay. 

[EarlyBronco]

17 minutes ago, Roofer Billy said:

I Have a MA3TY Scope on mine. It has variable speed adjustment. And illuminated sights. Ranging from 20 to 100 yards .  I was told it was okay. 

I hope you kill a deer with your crossbow in January and post it all over this site and a Javelina too , good luck!! Most these guys cry about a crossbow when they use a bow that shoots 300 feet a second and a adjustable sight that can shoot 100 yards lol 😂 very hypocritical

[EarlyBronco]

4 minutes ago, EarlyBronco said:

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17 minutes ago, Roofer Billy said:

I Have a MA3TY Scope on mine. It has variable speed adjustment. And illuminated sights. Ranging from 20 to 100 yards .  I was told it was okay. 

Sounds like archery equipment to me… 

[Roofer Billy]

Just now, EarlyBronco said:

I hope you kill a deer with your crossbow in January and post it all over this site and a Javelina too , good luck!! Most these guys cry about a crossbow when they use a bow that shoots 300 feet a second and can shoot 100 yards lol 😂 very hypocritical

Exactly. At least when I shoot my crossbow at a animal. I hit it and it goes down . I have only lost one deer . He ran about 300 yards and another hunter stuck him again. And took him. Never has one ran off and could not be found . Most are dead within 30 yards and east to recover. On Sunday of this week. I ran into two younger gentlemen. They both told me that they both had shot a course buck early that morning in 24A. And they ran straight down into a deep valley. Neither one even went to look for them. One was a 2 point the other a 3 point. They told me they don't chase them. That if they don't go down on the spot. And need to be pursued or what they called chased. That they drive on. And said shooting it was what was fun. And recovery didn't mean shoot. 

Seem like that's the people we need to complain about. Not crossbow hunters. How many deer are laying dead or wounded by some dipshit. With a bow. Who think he can shot 80 to 100 yards. 

[EarlyBronco]

9 minutes ago, Roofer Billy said:

Exactly. At least when I shoot my crossbow at a animal. I hit it and it goes down . I have only lost one deer . He ran about 300 yards and another hunter stuck him again. And took him. Never has one ran off and could not be found . Most are dead within 30 yards and east to recover. On Sunday of this week. I ran into two younger gentlemen. They both told me that they both had shot a course buck early that morning in 24A. And they ran straight down into a deep valley. Neither one even went to look for them. One was a 2 point the other a 3 point. They told me they don't chase them. That if they don't go down on the spot. And need to be pursued or what they called chased. That they drive on. And said shooting it was what was fun. And recovery didn't mean shoot. 

Seem like that's the people we need to complain about. Not crossbow hunters. How many deer are laying dead or wounded by some dipshit. With a bow. Who think he can shot 80 to 100 yards. 

Gotta disagree with you there, you just ran into two idiots, you can’t just group that into all archery hunters , that’s just as hypocritical as saying all crossbow hunters are abusing the system when SOME of them actually aren’t lol , and I actually can shoot 80-100 yards 

[BOHNTR]

8 minutes ago, Roofer Billy said:

Exactly. At least when I shoot my crossbow at a animal. I hit it and it goes down . I have only lost one deer . He ran about 300 yards and another hunter stuck him again. And took him. Never has one ran off and could not be found . Most are dead within 30 yards and east to recover. On Sunday of this week. I ran into two younger gentlemen. They both told me that they both had shot a course buck early that morning in 24A. And they ran straight down into a deep valley. Neither one even went to look for them. One was a 2 point the other a 3 point. They told me they don't chase them. That if they don't go down on the spot. And need to be pursued or what they called chased. That they drive on. And said shooting it was what was fun. And recovery didn't mean shoot. 

Seem like that's the people we need to complain about. Not crossbow hunters. How many deer are laying dead or wounded by some dipshit. With a bow. Who think he can shot 80 to 100 yards. 

You ARE the reason the commission changed the requirements…..you simply refuse to see it.  But, good luck to you……and I would check with an actual warden on the sight being legal.  

[Roofer Billy]

Just now, EarlyBronco said:

Gotta disagree with you there, you just ran into two idiots, you can’t just group that into all archery hunters , that’s just as hypocritical as saying all crossbow hunters are abusing the system when they actually aren’t lol , and I actually can shoot 80-100 yards 

Ya your right. And I use to shoot out to 80 with my Dartin Impulse. Unfortunately I can't do it anymore.