MAP - Senate Bill USFS Lands for Sale - Units 5, 6 & 21 Hit Hard

[bonecollector]

This land grab has been going on for over a decade and it still wont stop.

Now since everyone contacted their democrat Senators, they are taking credit for it and will definitely be using that on the campaign trail for midterms even though they were voting no on the BBB.

[Flatlander]

24 minutes ago, bonecollector said:

This land grab has been going on for over a decade and it still wont stop.

Now since everyone contacted their democrat Senators, they are taking credit for it and will definitely be using that on the campaign trail for midterms even though they were voting no on the BBB.

It’s true. And I love it. These Republican candidates can go on the record as pro public lands during their campaign or face the wrath of public land owners.

[AZCoueser]

On 6/28/2025 at 7:06 PM, trphyhntr said:

I can understand the national forest for the most part. But why is it a good thing that the federal government owns the land 

Could you expand on this question a little further? If not the federal government, then who?

[trphyhntr]

18 minutes ago, AZCoueser said:

Could you expand on this question a little further? If not the federal government, then who?

As conservatives, we don’t like the government in anything else, but we like them owning the land? Why is my question 

[trphyhntr]

85% of Nevada is owned the government. Why is that a good thing 

[Flatlander]

Just now, trphyhntr said:

We don’t like the government in anything else, but we like them owning the land? Why is my question 

There are a bunch of things I like the government being responsible for: military, food and drug regulation, health care standards and governance, roads and highways etc. Things that serve the public interest and require wide scale standards and consistency that private industry wouldn’t necessarily serve because they are non-profit bearing.

I put public lands in the same boat. Selling them off for a one-time payment would be far too tempting for private industry or even state governments that are required to balance budgets.

The federal resources especially budget and treasury are important when it comes to to owning and managing public lands. Think of the liability of fighting wildfires. No state could afford to simply say we are going to put every resource necessary at this and write the check at the end. It would bankrupt any state or private entity.

The fact that federal public lands are managed for multiple use, including profit generating activities like mining, grazing and forest extraction means that it benefits users of all types. Private ownership would never manage for multiple use by various components of society.

[knothead]

I never realized how much I took for granted all the public lands we have here in AZ.  It wasn't until I graduated college back in 1987 and moved to Texas.  So happy I moved back.  Hunted NM unit 34 elk and lots of national forest land with little pockets of Private land.  They would lock gates to public lands just a few hundred yards down the road.  The more and longer we can keep public lands open to general public use the better IMO.  Instead of saying we need to sale the land because the government doesn't manage it properly, maybe we should just start managing it properly?

 

We take a lot of things for granted living in AZ and out west.  Such as access to public lands and weather.  Unless you have come to AZ from some place else or travel to those places for extended periods of time, you never really totally understand.

[trphyhntr]

6 hours ago, Flatlander said:

There are a bunch of things I like the government being responsible for: military, food and drug regulation, health care standards and governance, roads and highways etc.

I don’t though. 
 

 There wouldn’t be as many fires and they would be as massive because the forest would be managed properly. 

[Sky Island junkie]

5 hours ago, trphyhntr said:

I don’t though. 

You don’t what? Want our public lands to be public anymore? Be careful what you wish for

[Sky Island junkie]

5 hours ago, knothead said:

I never realized how much I took for granted all the public lands we have here in AZ.  It wasn't until I graduated college back in 1987 and moved to Texas.  So happy I moved back.  Hunted NM unit 34 elk and lots of national forest land with little pockets of Private land.  They would lock gates to public lands just a few hundred yards down the road.  The more and longer we can keep public lands open to general public use the better IMO.  Instead of saying we need to sale the land because the government doesn't manage it properly, maybe we should just start managing it properly?

 

We take a lot of things for granted living in AZ and out west.  Such as access to public lands and weather.  Unless you have come to AZ from some place else or travel to those places for extended periods of time, you never really totally understand.

When I was a teen in the early 80s we snuck up on the O RO a few years mule deer hunting.😂 yeah I know!  I remember thinking this is Gods country! My buddies dad said during our lifetime we’d see our public lands be sold off and that’s what we’d experience. Hunting only for the ones that could afford it. Crazy how decades later you remember comments like that when our reps test the waters the way they did recently! 

[trphyhntr]

13 minutes ago, Sky Island junkie said:

You don’t what? 

Want the government being in control of my healthcare, food and drug regulations, or roads. 

[Sky Island junkie]

4 minutes ago, trphyhntr said:

Want the government being in control of my healthcare, food and drug regulations, or roads. 

Well we’d be in agreement there

[couesdeerhntr]

Healthcare is already completely controlled by the government. Doctors are either sheep or cant do anything they would want to do.only what they are told to do

[AZBULLHUNTER]

Medicare is the largest health insurance plan in the US.  Who do you want to manage it RFK Jr?

[AZBULLHUNTER]

Government in charge of roads already.  Ever hear of the FDA