couesmagnet Report post Posted March 11, 2015 To each his own brothers. Clear goggles never hurt anyone And all I was saying. I'll go back to crying now. I don't know chad at all but if something happened to me I would hope that I had at bare minimum due process from my supposed comrades, the hunting community. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted March 11, 2015 AZGFD works pretty methodically in their law enforcement.. Does anyone know anyone that was accused by our AZGFD, that got out of it in court? I do not. I am not sure if they ever officially accused Wagner of a crime, rather investigated him. Usually they have their ducks in a row when they publicly accuse someone. Couesmagnet-- This particular guide has been on a lot of people's radar for a long time. Hard not to immediately publicly convict him. I look forward to all the details of this case. I understand your point though, lynch mobs are always a bad thing. Look at ferguson, Madison, LA and I am sure there are a few other instances of lynch mobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas110 Report post Posted March 11, 2015 how the heck am i supposed to read these walls of text? aint nobody got time for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elkaholic Report post Posted March 11, 2015 well hopefully they had Shawn in charge of this one - remember he waited days to catch- get the evidence on the unsuspecting duck hunter with his son - for one duck 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZwest16 Report post Posted March 12, 2015 I believe in innocent until proven guilty. But from my experience way more often than not if any law enforcement has probable cause to charge someone then their most likely the culprit. Now being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court is a whole new story! This is where most of your criminals will walk. This doesn't mean their not guilty of anything just means the state couldn't show the burden of proof. Very, Very, Very rarely is someone charged of a crime that is completely innocent IMO. Just ironic he had his licenses suspended already once in his life and now is being charged with it again??? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZBULLHUNTER Report post Posted April 2, 2016 He pled guilty look it up on here 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Report post Posted April 21, 2016 So, does he still have guiding license? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5guyshunting Report post Posted April 22, 2016 TTbottom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted April 22, 2016 "AZGFD works pretty methodically in their law enforcement.. Does anyone know anyone that was accused by our AZGFD, that got out of it in court? I do not. I am not sure if they ever officially accused Wagner of a crime, rather investigated him. " HuntHarder: I don't know about its record in court since I stopped "covering" AZGFD as the outdoor editor for a Tucson newspaper. However, from 1967-1994, darned few accused game-law violators lost their cases if they pleaded not guilty and hired an attorney. Those who served as their own lawyers had fools for clients and almost always were found guilty. Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sneaker Report post Posted April 22, 2016 So, does he still have guiding license? No https://www.azgfd.com/PortalImages/files/hunting/guides/huntGuides.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tines Report post Posted April 22, 2016 So, does he still have guiding license? No https://www.azgfd.com/PortalImages/files/hunting/guides/huntGuides.pdf Hopefully he doesn't. But this list is not always accurate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZBULLHUNTER Report post Posted April 27, 2016 On 12-15(or 14)-15 Chad Smith pled guilty to an information charging that he used an aircraft to harass wildlife. It is a misdemeanor. Part of the agreement is that he can not seek a hunting license in Arizona or anywhere,shall not participate in any hunting activity, shall surrender his guides license in AZ,shall divest himself of any interest in Vaquero outfitters. If he complies with this order the government will dismiss the case on or before December 13, 2019 This is from federal court records. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azshtr Report post Posted April 27, 2016 On 12-15(or 14)-15 Chad Smith pled guilty to an information charging that he used an aircraft to harass wildlife. It is a misdemeanor. Part of the agreement is that he can not seek a hunting license in Arizona or anywhere,shall not participate in any hunting activity, shall surrender his guides license in AZ,shall divest himself of any interest in Vaquero outfitters. If he complies with this order the government will dismiss the case on or before December 13, 2019 This is from federal court records. After the Dec 2019 date with charges dropped, is he then able to apply for a guide license? If so that's not a long ban. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted April 27, 2016 I would assume so. Once charges are dropped I don't see how they couldn't give him his license back even if he doesn't deserve it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
