JLW Report post Posted November 12, 2015 ^^^^^ that's funny! James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues assassin Report post Posted November 12, 2015 637 cases of taking wildlife without a license in 2014 is crazy never would of guessed that high. And those are just the ones that got caught! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 It's amazing how many guys that don't hunt or fish much end up with their pals on a dove or quail hunt or a fishing trip with no license. I would imagine scenarios like that add up to quite a few. Lark 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
520HUNT Report post Posted November 13, 2015 I want to make a robotic donut and set it off the side of the road in unit 27. I could see how many game and fish officers would actually get out of their truck. Then we could have a bunch of hunters run out and yell at them. Not sure we would actually catch any. never seen one out of his truck. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted November 13, 2015 Next time I see one of those decoys, I am going to go stand next to it, and take a selfie photo. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 520 and snappy, that made me laugh out loud. Lark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted November 13, 2015 Many years ago, AGFD opened a feed store in the Phoenix area at a time when Arizona's mines had laid off hundreds of workers, which happened a lot in those days. The first thing the store's "clerks" did was to hint to certain customers that they would buy game meat and trophy antlers, horns and capes year around. Undercover agents also hung around Ajo, Clifton, Morenci, Globe, San Manuel, and Tucson and offered to buy fresh deer, elk, antelope, and javelina carcasses. I don't remember what they offered for the other species, but they were paying $50 for one javelina. The agents operated their sting for several months before they cited their suppliers in a much-publicized statewide "bust." I got some flack over a column I wrote for the Tucson Citizen saying the sting was entrapment because no market existed for Arizona game meat, especially javelina, before the agents created one. As I remember it, most of the perps entered guilty pleas. My critics who wrote letters to the editor claimed the guys who hunted out of season and sold game meat and parts were poachers who deserved to be hung from their thumbs and toes (or other peripheral appendages) and there could be no valid excuse for poaching. Period. I still think I was right. It was unfair to offer cash -- no questions asked -- to out-of-work people, some of whom were having trouble feeding their families and facing a very real threat of losing their homes and vehicles. Bill Quimby 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted November 13, 2015 You were right Bill. The AZGFD was just as guilty as the poachers. They bought illegal meat. It is not the Govt's role to create criminals. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kazpilot25 Report post Posted November 13, 2015 Man that is a great ROBO decoy the G&F has in that video. I'm kind of impressed. I honestly have no problem with this program, if you catch poachers or guys breaking the laws, great! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoghntr Report post Posted November 13, 2015 here is the robotic 1... they got this year! http://tucson.com/news/robotic-deer-stalks-s-arizona-hunters/article_6affcb7a-b65e-531c-bb5a-5e98141dab00.html james Muzzleloader road poaching and a reload to boot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted November 14, 2015 Bill, I find your post very interesting. Never understood how manufacturing criminals did any good. The true criminals are still running around while the bunny cops are taking bows and patting backs for catching some guy in a weak moment. I still feel they would better serve all involved by doing true biology work and focusing law enforcement efforts on the guys they know need busted. If they would spend more time congratulating successful hunters, checking tags and licenses cheerfully with a smile on their face and being true ambassadors of the outdoors, we probably wouldn't hear near so much negative stuff about the azgfd. Lark 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoghntr Report post Posted November 14, 2015 But leaving the poachers to be caught by the 1 agent in charge of HOW MANY SQUARE MILES is not gonna get the bad guys out of the field. I dont really agree with the weak moment theory, although i know that covers a few, most these people have it in their head exactly what they are willing to do that day. Biology is biology and law enforcement is law enforcement we need some of both i'd say. It is not that hard to grab a gun and step off of a roadway so not much reason to shoot from a vehicle unless of course breaking a law is exactly what intentions were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murfys69law Report post Posted November 14, 2015 Just wonder how much $$$ the robo cost and what happens when you blow the heck out of the motor and electronics when it's shot. Cost effective?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues assassin Report post Posted November 14, 2015 Just wonder how much $$$ the robo cost and what happens when you blow the heck out of the motor and electronics when it's shot. Cost effective?? $$$ shouldn't matter as much as catching a poacher. The robo was donated to G&F anyways. And I don't know what a fine is for poaching a deer but a robo deer costs $2500-$3500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted November 14, 2015 Hog, by your theory, When you put half a dozen wardens on one robo deer, who is doing the patrolling? Then there is less than one man for however much area you're talking about. Dyed in the wool outlaw poachers don't cruise the highways looking for their prey. Per the article in the Tucson paper, they're supposed to be after market hunters and serial poachers. They don't do that from the highway. The azgfd has a real credibility problem with a big part of outdoor community, in large part because of doing stupid things like citing kids for shooting sparrows, giving a poaching warden $100k, having their own undercover specialist embezzling a pile of cash, robo deer and because they have decided to quit being friends of outdoor people and to look at all tag holders as poachers that haven't been caught yet. I, for one, feel that if they would try to be a little nicer to folks and build some bridges back, they'd be able get more info on poachers from the rank and file tag holders than any kind of investigative work they could do. This robo deer is a waste of time and resource and does nothing to repair the real live alienation that has happened between the azgfd and the guys that pay their bills for em. I'd estimate that 90% of the diehard poaching is done by a very small % of tag holders. They need to focus on that very small group, and do some work to get back in good graces with Joe hunter. Not waste time with an electric deer and citing guys for real weak stuff. Lark. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
