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I put in for an early 23 permit, looking for a hunt I can do most years, hopefully. I have heard many references about the deer being somewhat "pockety" in the central units. I have also read most everything I can find, here, as well as other forums and podcasts. Much advice is given regarding "patience" in glassing. I think I understand that to a degree, but I feel like it's going to be on an entirely different level. I have read where a number of you will glass from the same spot all day, which to me is the equivalent of an all day sit in a tree stand, which I am ok with. However, being 25 hours away, hunting pockety country, in an unfamiliar area, how do I find a balance between patience and finding those pockets? When do you determine it's time to move on? I think I understand the basics, glass the south slopes until sunrise, glass into the sun the rest of the day, change angles relative to shade. What specifically should I look for to locate those productive pockets relative to the remaining country? I have "seen the light" running my 10x binos on a tripod for mule deer up here for a number of years, so looking forward to putting my 15’s to use. Thanks for any thoughts.

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Just scout until you find coues, and spend time in there. I hunt a unit that is pockety as well. There will be coues in one canyon or on one ridge and none on the other ridges or canyons around that spot

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You can always go south in that unit.  The coues aren’t “pockety” in the southern part.  Easier to glass so you’ll see coues deer.  If you’re looking for a giant or bust, then you can hunt up in the pines but you’re gonna be up against a pretty big task.  Most of the big coues that come from the pines are either killed over salt or atleast found on a cam over salt and then glasses for.  If you won’t be around to run cams you’ll be better served to drop down into the desert in my opinion.  

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15 hours ago, ThomC said:

Just keep doing what you said until you are not a newbie.  Newbies always want shortcuts.😒

I'm a little slower than average so I need all the help I can get, but I hear ya.

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14 hours ago, GreyGhost85 said:

Just scout until you find coues, and spend time in there. I hunt a unit that is pockety as well. There will be coues in one canyon or on one ridge and none on the other ridges or canyons around that spot

All things being equal, food/cover/water, just making sure there wasn't some recognizable feature that would contribute to one area holding deer and not the next. 

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13 hours ago, yotebuster said:

You can always go south in that unit.  The coues aren’t “pockety” in the southern part.  Easier to glass so you’ll see coues deer.  If you’re looking for a giant or bust, then you can hunt up in the pines but you’re gonna be up against a pretty big task.  Most of the big coues that come from the pines are either killed over salt or atleast found on a cam over salt and then glasses for.  If you won’t be around to run cams you’ll be better served to drop down into the desert in my opinion.  

I am actually focusing on the south half of the unit, mostly because it was further from Payson but technically closer to Phoenix for whatever that is worth. The wilderness areas are kind of intriguing and the area to the east on Cherry Crk looks to have some slightly rougher country that might be self limiting? Really appreciate that insight though, gives me some optimism that I'm not headed in the completely wrong direction. No, not holding out for a giant yet but not interested in something immature either other than to verify I'm closer to the right areas.

Really appreciate the feedback by all, thank you. 

 

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