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Nate 

he is drunk.  Think he is related to Sir royal.  Don’t talk about trail cams.  He will get unhinged.  

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1 minute ago, az300wby said:

Nate 

he is drunk.  Think he is related to Sir royal.  Don’t talk about trail cams.  He will get unhinged.  

Let Nate promote his NAU education man.

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Just now, Hunter1981 said:

Give me an example of something you have boughten with my tax money smart a$$.

I drive all the way to work on these nice black surfaces . What are they called?........... oh ya. Roads! 

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4 minutes ago, Hunter1981 said:

Give me an example of something you have boughten with my tax money smart a$$.

Boughten 

Boy I guess you are right.they never thought me that word at NAU. I guess I should ask for my money back.

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Ammo, cigars, strippers, booze, food and other shoot.  Remember karna

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1 minute ago, nateNAU said:

Boughten 

Boy I guess you are right.they never thought me that word at NAU. I guess I should ask for my money back.

Burn.  You got me, I didn’t get in debt boughting a fake education to show it off in an unoriginal post on a hunting forum.

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Hunter 1981 are you a drop out hating on an educated man?

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Nothing wrong with being a drop out.  

Life is Tough, But it's Tougher if You're Stupid - John Wayne

Good in the draw hater

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3 minutes ago, az300wby said:

Nothing wrong with being a drop out.  

Life is Tough, But it's Tougher if You're Stupid - John Wayne

Good in the draw hater

Thank you, I agree with JW.  Good luck in the draw sir.

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the only thing making out in the bogus point scheme is the bank account of Game and Fish.

 

The dumbest move ever was to allow people to apply for a point without being in the draw. But it was not done for hunter convivence it was done to sell something worthless to the masses. 

 

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7 hours ago, JVS said:

I guarantee if this were to be allowed, there would be 500,000 applicants. Bam. All at once everyone’s non-Hunter aunt, uncle and dead grandmother would be an applicant so they could pass a tag. Good luck with 500,000 portholes😂

Point guard and party applications are the biggest culprit. Averaging points for party applications means people aren’t just applying grandma and grandpa to sign over a tag (parents and grandparents are the only people who can sign over a tag), they literally are using every possible acquaintance to build points to average a party app.

There are people out there selling these points for party applications for thousands of dollars.

The more we regulate the system and try to manipulate it to benefit one group or another, whether it’s youth or new hunters or people who have applied for 20+ years, the more ripe it becomes for these games. The only parties that benefit from this are AZGFD who takes in a bunch of extra app and license fees from the point mules and people with the time and money to run all the extra apps.

There are a couple solutions:

Don’t average party apps, assign the application the lowest number of bonus points of any applicant.

Or just get rid of points. Period. Gone.

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6 hours ago, nateNAU said:

Socialism? I would guess you failed civics. I am suggesting being able to spend what is yours. Sounds more like capitalism. I guess you would say I am fairly young at 32 but in my adult life I have seen draw odds in the unit I live in for early archery elk go down from 35% to 18% in under a decade. Something has to change.

There were 18,000 more applicants this year than last and probably only going to get worse, there will never be an easy fix and your odds are probably only going to get worse. 

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9 hours ago, Flatlander said:

Why does anyone else deserve a high value hunt?

Maine has a system in place for limited moose tags. If you are over a certain age (I think 60?) and have over a certain amount of points (25?) you get awarded a tag. That’s outside of the regular draw, and obviously still counts towards the total tags. 
 

it’s interesting to see how each state does it

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