2nd Amendment rally

[Flatlander]

Is the Liberal Tucson media trying to sabotage the rally by publishing the wrong date?

 

http://tucsoncitizen.com/in-the-aggregate/2013/01/17/arizona-2nd-amendment-rally-saturday-february-16th/

[gonejon]

Still a Rally in AZ... Just don't think a bunch of like minded folks getting together on TV will help. Imagine the media there - the story is twisted and the focus is on the sidearms in the crowd. Enter Giffords stage left and we have provided a photo opp for the left. Nothing we do will be portayed by the liberal media in any way that will help. Not saying do nothing. Just know thy enemy and don't play into their hand.

 

I want to be out there with the "Don't Tread On Me" flag singing Yankee Doodle Dandy as much as the next guy but we are out numbered by the 47% that voted for O'Bama. Not AZ mind you - we seem to have it right. But we need to understand that there are 49 other states and they can and might impress their will uopn us. Why fan the flames. Careful, thought out action is the answer. Emotion is the card they want to play not us.

 

JMHO and appreciate yours.

 

Eric

Are you kidding me? You are "worried" about what the Obama Zombies will say? What is wrong with you? You have the RIGHT every day to walk around with your gun. The media is sure to twist it. So what? When the Redcoats come to take your cache are you gonna refuse to get involved because someone might call you a bad name? Put up or shut up. This is the 2nd Amendment and we should all mean business if it is important to you.

 

INACTION is the card they want you to play. The 2nd Amendment is the card I WILL PLAY. I do not care if they like it or not. These rallys will be going on ALL OVER THE COUNTRY! We need to stand UNIFIED like the colonists did against the British when they tried to take their guns.

[Coach]

savagman, I respectfully disagree. If ever there was a time to stand up and show your face, the time is now. Don't show up armed or acting like a vigilante, just make your presence known.

 

Look at the broad picture here. Weeks ago, something aweful happened. Something you or I could not prevent, and all we can do is try to understand, then look at how this isolated incident is being used. More "kids" in Chicago die in a normal weekend than died at Sandy Hook. More kids have died from the flu in the last 8 weeks, than at Sandy Hook.

 

More kids die in pool drownings and bee stings annually than Sandy Hook. Why, then does this single event attempt to change minds?

 

You can't believe what you are told, and you owe it to your family to look past the hyperbole. The truth is right before your eyes, my friend.

[DesertBull]

I want to know why no one is talking about the fact that almost every mass shooting we have had in the last 20+ years, the shooter has been on at least one anti-depressant medication. Some of them have been on multiple ones at the same time, prescribed by Dr's. If you listen to the commercials for these meds, they tell you that thoughts or acts of suicide are a possible side effect.

 

No calls for banning Prozac or limiting the number of pills per prescription.

[elkaholic]

here ya go - hit the nail obn the head - what arethey doingtoprotect our children - DRUGS are the bottom line altering the state of mind

 

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the dang doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

[ShutYourLib]

here ya go - hit the nail obn the head - what arethey doingtoprotect our children - DRUGS are the bottom line altering the state of mind

 

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

 

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

 

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

 

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

 

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

 

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

 

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

 

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

 

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

 

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

 

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

 

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

 

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

 

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

 

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

 

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

 

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

 

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

 

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

 

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

 

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

 

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

 

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

 

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

 

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

 

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the dang doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

 

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,

(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

 

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

 

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

 

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

 

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

 

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

 

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

 

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

 

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

 

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

 

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his

New York high school.

 

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

 

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

 

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

 

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

 

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

 

 

Wear your seatbelt. I believe that John Noveske was killed in an auto accident shortly after posting the same information on FB.

[223VARMINTER]

Looks like a lot of parents need to be a little more responsible and lock up their weapons so their drug-induced children cannot gain access to them.

[Snapshot]

alcohol-impaired motor vehicle crashes cost more than an estimated $37 billion annually. In 2010, more than 10,000 people died, nationally, in alcohol-impaired driving crashes - one every 51 minutes.

[bonecollector]

How was the rally?

[DesertBull]

It is legal to kill this baby in all 50 states. No reason needed. Just pay the fee and it dies. And the liberals will tell you that the so called right can NOT be infringed upon. They can't tell you where this right is located in the Constitution but you cannot question it.

 

The 2nd Amendment is clearly written in our bill of rights. It was so important, that it is the only article in the Bill of Rights that gives warning to the politicians that the right will not be infringed upon. No other right, including the right to free speech, is given this extra emphasis.

 

So, we have killed over 40,000,000 babies since Roe V Wade ON PURPOSE and the mother is somehow supposed to be the victim in that crime.

 

A nut uses a gun to kill kids and I am supposed to give up my freedoms so bed wetting, hand ringing, mouth breathers can somehow feel safe?

 

[Snapshot]

If we get rid of the Liberals, the vast majority of our problems would be solved.

[Coach]

here ya go - hit the nail obn the head - what arethey doingtoprotect our children - DRUGS are the bottom line altering the state of mind

 

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

 

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

 

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

 

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

 

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

 

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

 

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

 

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

 

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

 

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

 

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

 

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

 

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

 

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

 

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

 

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

 

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

 

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

 

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

 

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

 

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

 

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

 

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

 

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

 

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

 

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the dang doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

 

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,

(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

 

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

 

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

 

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

 

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

 

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

 

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

 

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

 

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

 

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

 

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his

New York high school.

 

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

 

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

 

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

 

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

 

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

 

elkaholic, everything you posted is true. But I disagree with your premise that the drugs were the cause. In every single instance you posted, there is a mentally ill person. They wouldn't have been on these medications if they weren't diagnosed as mentally ill.

 

These are the cases where every attempt had been made. The person at risk was properly diagnosed, the medication was made available.

 

I'm not saying this to be combative or call you out in any way.

 

I live in a home where ADHD, certain medications, in a way dictate our life. I could easily be one of those parents stabbed to death or beaten with a baseball bat in my sleep. It's one thing to recognize that all of these episodes occurred by people under the various medications you described. You could easily draw a correlation between the meds and the subsequent behavior.

 

In reality, it isn't that simple. Every case you cited was a mentally instable person harming someone else. The fact that they were prescribed anti-depressants and other drugs didn't cause them to act out, IMO. In every scenario you laid out, there is a mentally ill person who has been identified as a threat (pre-requisite to the drugs they are on) and was failed to be treated properly.

 

I don't want to get too far off on a tangent here, but the way things really work is this. If you are hurt, you can go to the emergency room. If you have insurance, you'll pay a co-pay, then get treated.

 

If you are mentally ill, even if your or your parents have "top tier" insurance, you won't be seen. The kinds of places that handle mental illness are NOT COVERED BY INSURANCE. They can cost 40-50K per 4 week evaluation.

 

There's a huge gap in our medical "industry" at this point. Obama-care doesn't bridge it either, despite the costs. Mental illness is not even considered in your typical "paid-by-employer" package, and Obama care doesn't solve it either.

 

Bottom line is this - we have an entire generation of mentally instable people, dependent on medication to make them feel "normal". Each and every one of them is a tinder box ready to explode.

[AverageJoe]

ADD, ADHD, ETC...is all a bunch of BS. It is also well known that the medications given for these so called "illnesses" cause major problems later in life. Kids are and always have been mentally unstable, thats the point of being a kid. Kids dont need medication to try to act like an adult because people are tired and dont want to deal with their kids being kids. I hate it when I see a kid having fun and being wild and hyper and their parents say go take a pill and calm down. Why????????

[Flatlander]

ADD, ADHD, ETC...is all a bunch of BS. It is also well known that the medications given for these so called "illnesses" cause major problems later in life. Kids are and always have been mentally unstable, thats the point of being a kid. Kids dont need medication to try to act like an adult because people are tired and dont want to deal with their kids being kids. I hate it when I see a kid having fun and being wild and hyper and their parents say go take a pill and calm down. Why????????

Joe - You and I have agreed on many points in the past and I would hesitate to call you out but what you just stated is a gross generalization that is incredibly off base and insensitive. I am surprised that you would make such a statement when Coach clearly just stated that this is a problem his family struggles with. Mental illness is real, and its a HUGE problem. There is a definable difference between a kid who is active, energetic, hyper, etc and a person (of any age) who is diagnosed with a mental illness. I agree that some doctors likely over-diagnose and that the medications can have powerful side-effects but that doesn't disprove the problem it compounds it.

[PRDATR]

I'd say that only in the last half century that there have been more advances made in diagnosis and treatment for ADHD, Bipolar and a myriad of others. These ailments aren't imagined and treatments vary from case to case. I venture to surmise that people like Van Gogh and Hemingway may have had different lives had they lived in later times.

Pharmaceuticals, in addition to observing behaviors again case by case, and building on what modern medicine and phsychriatric's have taught us is where we are now but there is a long way to go, IMHO.

Add the complexities of todays society it really adds another element to the equation. There are side effects no doubt to most meds but we can't lock family away in rubber rooms or turn our backs on folks with PTSD.