Posted August 12 2017 - 04:54 AM
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Posted August 12 2017 - 02:28 PM
The Bubonic Plague has existed in the US for decades. It is in fact carried by the fleas that are found in some prairie dog colonies. An ex of mine did a two year study on the issue for the BLM in Colorado. I was able to assist in the study by going PD hunting on one of the affected colonies and then doing carcass observations of predation/scavaging. There are also other scientific studies that have been done on these colonies. I highly suggest researching these before freaking out over what the news says, you would be quite surprised by what has been documented...
Posted August 12 2017 - 04:22 PM
Posted August 12 2017 - 07:09 PM
Posted August 12 2017 - 10:15 PM
The plague has been in AZ since I been here in 1982 and even before. There used to be signs in seligman and all through out unit 10 from west to east even up to tucyeon(sp) P dogs mainly carried the plague.
it died down dramitically around 1995-1997 when the p-dogs got really thinned out by a few dedicated hunters and the drought. The babbit Ranch pretty much dried up for P-dogs as well as the whole valley from unit 9 around red butte to red lake up on the res in unit 10. we saw maybe 2 dozen for 4-5 years where it used to be 1000 round days in a 5-6 mile area. same with the seligman valley area both north and south and west of seligman. then we got a little rain p-dogs came back and so did the plague. around this time the G&F dept put the black footed ferret in the valley west of seligman. the pdog hunters dissapered due to shooting near or around the ferrets while legal was still not wiorth the risk of killing one of these endangered buggers at 800-1200s thinking it was a p-dog. then the drought came back and dried everything up.
with all the rains we had in the last 4-5 years it doesnt suprise me that the plague is back and the p-dog population is getting close to what it used to be back in the 80s and 90's. well lets just say about 1/2 of what it used to be. They are also spreading out not we have shot them both east west and north of flagstaff. saw some in unit 8 last year unit 9 they are everywhere. going to kaibab a few times 3 years ago I was shooting them on the way back home just north of flag along the res property..
if the p-dog population is around then your guaranteed to have the plague also.
as 654321 mentioned Eric york got it from a mt lion, others have died and only a few have lived through it. 3 of them were p-dog hunters in the 90's 1 from CA if I recall. also a guy from tucson got it as well. one or 2 guys have claimed to gotten it while yote hunting. This is just what I recall since the early 80's.
you dont touch p-dogs you wash your hands before you get in your truck and leave the area, then do it again when you get home.
I never worried about the plague as long as you stay clean and dont touch the p-dogs you will be fine. when we shot them with bows we would use rubber gloves and pic up the arrows toss them in the bed of the truck in the sun for a ton of hours then use the arrows again.
Can you get it from other animals yes but its unlikely. as those type of fleas from what I was told hang around on rodents mainly. the lion probably ate a few p-dogs recently and had them on his body. when we heard about the yote guys we quite cutting there tails off/skinning them and just used yotes as ballistic jelly. like they were meant to be
what surprises me out of all this is the indians. we would shoot the p-dogs they would come and grab them up put them in a bag and go home. dont know what they did with them and dont care but I dont ever remember reading or hearing about and indian getting sick from the plague.
what is really good news about this post is that the P-dogs are back on the rebound big time and I can dust off the 15+ varmit guns I have dig out the 10k+ rounds of ammo and start wacking and stacking again. life is going to be good
used to rely on maps with 20 years of p-dog town markings on them to revisit old p-dog areas and hope there was something to splatter. now I been finding new pdog towns by google earth some places show up really well.
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