New proposed hunt recommendations

[idgaf]

I would say cut the tags and add a point restriction.  That way the yearlings have a chance to live to their second birthday. 

[Chef]

10 hours ago, knothead said:

G&F figured out years ago their main source of income is not from the selling of tags but from the application fees, selling points and the selling of "opportunities".  AZ just doesn't have the numbers of animals and habitat to support the dept and all their employees off tag and license sales alone.  Hunters are still the milk cow for all big game and non-game species.  I wish they could figure out a way for all the wolf, feral horse and feral burro lovers to buy a license every year along with some sort of application fees.

They can still get creative and get more... Utah Law Makes People Buy Hunting/Fishing Licenses To Use State Lands | Cowboy State Daily

[Big or Bust]

1 hour ago, bigorange said:

34a still so much higher than all other units too. 

The question is when and why 34a hasn't had a mule deer hunt in a few years, anyone or any weapon. Same conditions as the rest of southern AZ. Why this unit and nothing else?

[Coues247]

26 minutes ago, Chef said:

They can still get creative and get more... Utah Law Makes People Buy Hunting/Fishing Licenses To Use State Lands | Cowboy State Daily

Utah already did away with that or is currently in the process.

[Chef]

57 minutes ago, Coues247 said:

Utah already did away with that or is currently in the process.

Very interesting.

[PRDATR]

16 hours ago, idgaf said:

I would say cut the tags and add a point restriction.  That way the yearlings have a chance to live to their second birthday. 

I would be in favor of that with the caveat of letting juniors take a spike on a one time basis.  

[creed]

I'm curious as to why the big increase in some of the otc desert archery hunts. From what I saw they should be cutting permits instead of increasing them.

[HuntHarder]

23 minutes ago, creed said:

I'm curious as to why the big increase in some of the otc desert archery hunts. From what I saw they should be cutting permits instead of increasing them.

Last year was kind of an anomaly tho with animals very spread out due to tons of water.  My normal spots had similar #'s, but they weren't as concentrated as they usually are.  This was central Az. 

[Sky Island junkie]

18 hours ago, idgaf said:

I would say cut the tags and add a point restriction.  That way the yearlings have a chance to live to their second birthday. 

I’ve always been in favor of point restrictions too. But while we’re talking about things that’ll never happen, how about a bonus point for every 20 coyotes a hunter dumps at the doorstep of a g and f regional office and one bonus point for every lion. 
 
I helped a guy on a whitetail hunt this last year who said he wasn’t going to buy a lion tag! His explanation was they are so rare he didn’t think he could kill one. He never even saw a buck because the lions have taken out a lot of the deer! Meanwhile G and F is proud of their lion conservation efforts in our state

[Sky Island junkie]

This was a couple days worth within a mile of our house and didn’t make a dent. We very rarely see javelina anymore and Muley numbers are down. 

[daryl_s]

31 minutes ago, Sky Island junkie said:

I’ve always been in favor of point restrictions too. But while we’re talking about things that’ll never happen, how about a bonus point for every 20 coyotes a hunter dumps at the doorstep of a g and f regional office and one bonus point for every lion. 
 
I helped a guy on a whitetail hunt this last year who said he wasn’t going to buy a lion tag! His explanation was they are so rare he didn’t think he could kill one. He never even saw a buck because the lions have taken out a lot of the deer! Meanwhile G and F is proud of their lion conservation efforts in our state

I saw two lions in the 90’s, none for many years, then saw 4 in 3 different units in a year and a half span very recently. These recommendations cut tags in a handful of units where the quota is already filled. 

[PRDATR]

43 minutes ago, Sky Island junkie said:

This was a couple days worth within a mile of our house and didn’t make a dent. We very rarely see javelina anymore and Muley numbers are down. 

Thanks! They all look fat. As Uncle Ted says. Wack'em and Stack'em. Where abouts are you located? Are you using an e-caller?

[CatfishKev]

57 minutes ago, Sky Island junkie said:

I’ve always been in favor of point restrictions too. But while we’re talking about things that’ll never happen, how about a bonus point for every 20 coyotes a hunter dumps at the doorstep of a g and f regional office and one bonus point for every lion. 
 
I helped a guy on a whitetail hunt this last year who said he wasn’t going to buy a lion tag! His explanation was they are so rare he didn’t think he could kill one. He never even saw a buck because the lions have taken out a lot of the deer! Meanwhile G and F is proud of their lion conservation efforts in our state

It would be nice to see coyote contest come back I was wondering if there would be some sort of loophole to bring them back while staying within the actual law.  

It's sad when game and fish cares more about non-hunters feelings then the actual wildlife they represent.

[Sky Island junkie]

3 minutes ago, PRDATR said:

Thanks! They all look fat. As Uncle Ted says. Wack'em and Stack'em. Where abouts are you located? Are you using an e-caller?

And there are two others that were half mile away and I didn’t drag them to the pile. Yeah e caller. I usually do a lot more but the last couple years I could only get out half dozen times

[Sky Island junkie]

31 minutes ago, daryl_s said:

I saw two lions in the 90’s, none for many years, then saw 4 in 3 different units in a year and a half span very recently. These recommendations cut tags in a handful of units where the quota is already filled. 

Yeah I get it. I live in the unit I’ve hunted whitetail my whole life and just get to see first hand how many cats are in an area and nobody’s hunting them. Even the houndsmen I know will catch a cat and pull the dogs off if it’s just a little 70lb female. They want the big toms. I get that too