game and fish gun down endangered red squirell

[654321]

I am sure glad somebody doesn't publish every mistake I make at work in the newspaper. I would need my own section.

i really dont understand this comment. you do a lot of illegal stuff like killing endangered species?

I think you need to go back and read 1uglydude post he seems to have a good understanding of how this works

[Eagle mountain ranch]

[oz31p]

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I am sure glad somebody doesn't publish every mistake I make at work in the newspaper. I would need my own section.

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me too . But at my work I'm not a wild life expert who killed an endangered animal. Up to now I've been some what supportive of the dept. But my opinions will be shaped by the punishment handed out.

If I accidentally shot a wolf tomorrow and there's a different punishment I think we can all agree that's crap.

What if you had been tasked with eliminating another species of wolf that looked very similar and made an honest mistake? He was told to shoot other squirrels on site. It's not like he was out shooting whatever moved for fun.

Incidental take as part if a larger recovery effort is not the same as intentional take or take as a result of unrelated activities...nor should it be.

There is a reason "incidental take" is a defined term under section 7 of the ESA.

who gets to decide what species gets eliminated and what species gets to live?

It's outlined in the recovery plan approved by USFW and administered by either the federal or state agency, whichever is assigned to that particular population. Here, the elimination of competing squirrels is sanctioned as part of the recovery plan. The accidental take of the target species as part of official the official recovery plan is designated as an "incidental take." If the take meets the legal definition of an incidental take (which it appears was likely the case here) then there will not be any individual punishment.

What's the difference between an agent doing it and you or me? Well, we don't have the authority under the ESA to take the actions that could potentially result in this type of incidental take. The shooting of a red squirrel that's not related to a sanctioned recovery action would be per se actionable.

I'll bow out of the conversation because I'll never be convinced the while attempting to wipe out one animal from an area its acceptable to accidentally kill the animal your trying to protect.

[kidso]

Back in the day, while attending grad school at the U of A, I was heading north on Oracle Road near the fancy El Conquistador Resort and Spa when I ran over a large ground/rock squirrel crossing the road. I stopped, as did the wealthy lady who was driving a fancy Cadillac behind me. The squirrel was going into convulsions in the middle of the road and the lady got out of her car and started to cry. She asked me what as I was going to do as I opened the rear hatch on my Blazer. I told her that I was going to take care of everything, and I gently placed the squirrel in the back of my vehicle. She then asked if I was going to take the squirrel to a clinic to be properly cared for. I replied that I would properly take care of the squirrel myself in the kitchen. Her eyes grew as large as saucers in disbelief and I knew she was about to say something in protest. So I quickly shrugged my shoulders and said, "Dinner!" Then, dashed off into my driver's seat and took off while she hurriedly punched numbers into her cell phone.

 

It was only a squirrel, but I would have done no less if I ran over a squirrel anywhere, regardless of its size or color. Squirrel stew, its what's for dinner at my place!

[1uglydude]

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I am sure glad somebody doesn't publish every mistake I make at work in the newspaper. I would need my own section.

i really dont understand this comment. you do a lot of illegal stuff like killing endangered species?

I think you need to go back and read 1uglydude post he seems to have a good understanding of how this works

Whether or not it was an acceptable incidental take depends on whether the removal of competing squirrels was authorized under the recovery plan. The press release seems to suggest that it was, and it would certainly make sense, but if it wasn't then I'm sure we will hear more about this.

[johnnie blaze]

So if Azgfd (while during the bighorn sheep recovery plan in 33) shot a jag while lion "taking", it would be considered "incidental"?

What a lovely loophole.

[PatrickJr]

Back in the day, while attending grad school at the U of A, I was heading north on Oracle Road near the fancy El Conquistador Resort and Spa when I ran over a large ground/rock squirrel crossing the road. I stopped, as did the wealthy lady who was driving a fancy Cadillac behind me. The squirrel was going into convulsions in the middle of the road and the lady got out of her car and started to cry. She asked me what as I was going to do as I opened the rear hatch on my Blazer. I told her that I was going to take care of everything, and I gently placed the squirrel in the back of my vehicle. She then asked if I was going to take the squirrel to a clinic to be properly cared for. I replied that I would properly take care of the squirrel myself in the kitchen. Her eyes grew as large as saucers in disbelief and I knew she was about to say something in protest. So I quickly shrugged my shoulders and said, "Dinner!" Then, dashed off into my driver's seat and took off while she hurriedly punched numbers into her cell phone.

 

It was only a squirrel, but I would have done no less if I ran over a squirrel anywhere, regardless of its size or color. Squirrel stew, its what's for dinner at my place!

 

did you really eat it???

[kidso]

[did you really eat it???

 

Yes. I stewed it in the crock pot for dinner, but the "wrong" wife at the time refused to partake of it, as she would not lower her standards to partake of squirrel meat. She asked me to prepare her a club sandwich instead, which I tenderly did, along with several thin slices of squirrel meat carefully hidden between some ham and turkey!!!

 

That marriage did not last, but the "right" wife and I just reached our 10 year anniversary this week!!

[jim]

Congrats Kidso. I saw the squirrel story yesterday and started laughing, my wife asked what was so funny as I told her I was wondering how fast the coues whitetail game and fish bashers would take to get this on Coues forums so they could beat up the game and fish again.

[Edge]

 

 

 

Headlines:

 

Rare Squirrel Made Rarer

 

Rare Squirrel Found by Nut

 

Endangered Squirrel No More

 

Nut and Squirrel Clash

 

Protected Squirrel Needed Protection

[trphyhntr]

Back in the day, while attending grad school at the U of A, I was heading north on Oracle Road near the fancy El Conquistador Resort and Spa when I ran over a large ground/rock squirrel crossing the road. I stopped, as did the wealthy lady who was driving a fancy Cadillac behind me. The squirrel was going into convulsions in the middle of the road and the lady got out of her car and started to cry. She asked me what as I was going to do as I opened the rear hatch on my Blazer. I told her that I was going to take care of everything, and I gently placed the squirrel in the back of my vehicle. She then asked if I was going to take the squirrel to a clinic to be properly cared for. I replied that I would properly take care of the squirrel myself in the kitchen. Her eyes grew as large as saucers in disbelief and I knew she was about to say something in protest. So I quickly shrugged my shoulders and said, "Dinner!" Then, dashed off into my driver's seat and took off while she hurriedly punched numbers into her cell phone.

 

It was only a squirrel, but I would have done no less if I ran over a squirrel anywhere, regardless of its size or color. Squirrel stew, its what's for dinner at my place!

sounds like a seinfeld episode

[longshooter]

 

Back in the day, while attending grad school at the U of A, I was heading north on Oracle Road near the fancy El Conquistador Resort and Spa when I ran over a large ground/rock squirrel crossing the road. I stopped, as did the wealthy lady who was driving a fancy Cadillac behind me. The squirrel was going into convulsions in the middle of the road and the lady got out of her car and started to cry. She asked me what as I was going to do as I opened the rear hatch on my Blazer. I told her that I was going to take care of everything, and I gently placed the squirrel in the back of my vehicle. She then asked if I was going to take the squirrel to a clinic to be properly cared for. I replied that I would properly take care of the squirrel myself in the kitchen. Her eyes grew as large as saucers in disbelief and I knew she was about to say something in protest. So I quickly shrugged my shoulders and said, "Dinner!" Then, dashed off into my driver's seat and took off while she hurriedly punched numbers into her cell phone.

It was only a squirrel, but I would have done no less if I ran over a squirrel anywhere, regardless of its size or color. Squirrel stew, its what's for dinner at my place!

sounds like a seinfeld episode

 

Or Beverly hillbillies

[Critter]

Kidso did you call G&F and ask if you could keep that squirrel? haha.

[Edge]

Back in the day, while attending grad school at the U of A, I was heading north on Oracle Road near the fancy El Conquistador Resort and Spa when I ran over a large ground/rock squirrel crossing the road. I stopped, as did the wealthy lady who was driving a fancy Cadillac behind me. The squirrel was going into convulsions in the middle of the road and the lady got out of her car and started to cry. She asked me what as I was going to do as I opened the rear hatch on my Blazer. I told her that I was going to take care of everything, and I gently placed the squirrel in the back of my vehicle. She then asked if I was going to take the squirrel to a clinic to be properly cared for. I replied that I would properly take care of the squirrel myself in the kitchen. Her eyes grew as large as saucers in disbelief and I knew she was about to say something in protest. So I quickly shrugged my shoulders and said, "Dinner!" Then, dashed off into my driver's seat and took off while she hurriedly punched numbers into her cell phone.

 

It was only a squirrel, but I would have done no less if I ran over a squirrel anywhere, regardless of its size or color. Squirrel stew, its what's for dinner at my place!

My dad would be proud, Sir. He grew up in the depression in W. PA and he has shared his love of squirrel pot pie with me on many occasion. Back when we were deer hunting together, he'd want to tag the first deer so he could spend the rest of the hunt shooting squirrel.

[muledeerarea33?]

And people call me crazy for cooking gourmet jackrabbit dishes!! Sometimes the small game beats out the big game.