5guyshunting Report post Posted October 31, 2015 Was thinking about working up a load with 180s and found this. Has anyone loaded some.http://www.bergerbullets.com/7mm-195gr-eol-elite-hunter-testing/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rcdinaz Report post Posted October 31, 2015 If you have one of the big 7mm that looks like an awesome bullet! I shoot the 180's out of my Dakota and it is a great load. I don't think I would run those through my 7mm RM. I stick to the 168's in the RM which seem to be plenty adequate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5guyshunting Report post Posted November 1, 2015 Im shooting 168s in my sendero and they are shooting great. Just wanted to try something different. Not to sure about the twist though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted November 1, 2015 Im using a 7mm wsm 1-8 twist and those 180 are awsome, I need to buy a scope to stretch em out more though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rossislider Report post Posted November 1, 2015 195gr out of a 7mm mag sounds like a lot to me. I might try those out of a 7mm RUM. I shoot the 168s out of my 7mm mag (Tikka t3) at 2950 fps with great results. I shot my big bodied muley buck last week with this combination at 551 yards. The exit wound on the back side was massive, at least 5" in diameter. I'll post a picture to give you an example. As you can see, no need for a heavier bullet. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southernxpress Report post Posted November 1, 2015 My brother just picked the 195's up today, gunna run them out of the STW's. As soon as we get to try them out we can let you know how they do. With the potential velocity out of the STW and that 195.. looks like it could be tough to beat for some long range tipping action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CraigK Report post Posted November 1, 2015 Perfect bullet for a 28 nosler or even a tight twist 7mm LRM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big or Bust Report post Posted November 3, 2015 No reason why they wouldn't rock in the 7RM. Don't get stuck on MV, just impact velocity. That bullet is a game changer for sure.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOMP442 Report post Posted November 3, 2015 The 7mm Mag just doesn't quite have the case capacity to truly maximize this bullets potential. Most factory rifles will not have the twist to use it either. In a standard 7mm mag the 180s can be pushed to a velocity that allow them to shoot inside of the 195s at long range. The 195s will pack a bit more energy at the target but really if you can't get it done with the 180 an extra 15 grains isn't really going to help you. The 195 is best suited for the really large magnums with fast twist barrels and will require at least an 8 twist to get all of the BC the bullet is capable of. There is lots of info on this bullet and the cartridges people are using it in over on longrangehunting.com There are guys over there that ordered barrels when the bullet was first announced a couple years ago. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big or Bust Report post Posted November 3, 2015 Dialing a bit more isn't going to hurt you either. Where does it end? Isn't every bullet's maximum potential reached with the highest MV possible? So this means that every cartridge isn't maximizing a bullet's potential.... A 195 at 2750 or so is an utter slammer waaaay out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOMP442 Report post Posted November 3, 2015 I'm not talking about dialing I am talking about wind drift. A 180 at 2900 is just as much of a slammer and will provide just as good if not better wind drift than the 195 when used in a standard 7mm Rem Mag. This is why you see most shooters save the big heavy bullets in .30cals for the Win mags and Ultra mags and leave the 168-175's for the .308. Just not enough horse power to really make them shine in a .308 sized case. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOMP442 Report post Posted November 3, 2015 Lance gets it. The 195 is a ballistic masterpiece, but it comes with some downsides. The first and biggest one being a custom barrel with a fast twist to properly stabilize them. The 2nd one is moving to a bigger cartridge to be able to push them to a decent velocity and with that comes big time magazine constraints with that really long bullet or the added cost of an extended mag. Although, great I don't think it would persuade me to switch from the already impressive and proven 180's especially in a standard 7 mag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZkiller Report post Posted November 3, 2015 They tend to make a big hole when you hit a pelvis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2horns Report post Posted November 4, 2015 My new build is off the 7RM using the Berger 195 from a 28" barrel at 1:8 twist, no break. But this work wont happen until next March when everything comes in. For those going 28 Nosler, what barrel length and any break? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
308Nut Report post Posted November 4, 2015 Sure it may take a larger case to make the 195 'shine' but the 195 can make the 7mm rem mag 'shine' a bit brighter. There will always be the argument of what cases are optimum for a given bullet whether it's the 308 and 208-215 grain pills or the 7 rem mag and the 195 grain pill. The point here is that the 195 will muscle up any 7mm that has the stones to make it exit the barrel. It's not always about a cartridge doing a bullet justice. Sometimes it's about a bullet giving more justice to a given cartridge. Now I will agree with C that the 195 isn't going to offer the 7 rem mag huge gains over the 180. The numbers aren't staggering in comparison. Better nonetheless but not to a large degree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
