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10mm for grizzly bear defense

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17 hours ago, bojangles said:

So I shot the xdm, 10 mm.

 

Its really snappy, even with the mild target ammo.  I got a couple boxes of hsm bear load, but want to try the penetrators also.  I haven’t tried the bear load yet. 

The trigger is terrible, and will need work.  I’ll need a lot of practice, as I think it will be difficult to be stalwart with an angry bear charging.  

The 15 round mag is certainly comforting.  

I honestly think a slug gun would be more comforting, but it is a cumbersome thing to lug around.

I had the Glock but it now resides with my son. I could bring it up to Payson one of these days and you could shoot it.

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So, I talked to a biologist up in MT the other day.   I asked him about bringing a handgun and he suggested it would be a great too.   His thought is you might as well shoot yourself to put yourself out of misery because it isn't going to kill the bear.   He said that out of all the bear attacks his partner has investigated he has never seen a person carry a gun and actually hit the grizzly.    He did say that bear spray has worked a bunch of times and highly suggested that instead of a handgun (or any gun for that matter)   This biologist isn't an anti hunter either.    He is well known and really likes hunting but thinks bear spray throws a bigger pattern and seems to irritate the bear better than a gun.   

Personally.   I'll be bringing a gun.   Hopefully I won't need it,,,,,but if I do I'm hoping I can actually keep my crap together and hit the bear instead of killing rocks.  

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On 7/18/2019 at 2:44 PM, recurveman said:

So, I talked to a biologist up in MT the other day.   I asked him about bringing a handgun and he suggested it would be a great too.   His thought is you might as well shoot yourself to put yourself out of misery because it isn't going to kill the bear.   He said that out of all the bear attacks his partner has investigated he has never seen a person carry a gun and actually hit the grizzly.    He did say that bear spray has worked a bunch of times and highly suggested that instead of a handgun (or any gun for that matter)   This biologist isn't an anti hunter either.    He is well known and really likes hunting but thinks bear spray throws a bigger pattern and seems to irritate the bear better than a gun.   

Personally.   I'll be bringing a gun.   Hopefully I won't need it,,,,,but if I do I'm hoping I can actually keep my crap together and hit the bear instead of killing rocks.  

Interesting.  

 In all the reading and research I have done, and mind you I have no personal experience, it seems that the highest fatality rates are those that are armed with long guns. It seems if you miss on the first shot it’s over with. There’s a website out there that gives details on what fatality rates are per caliber of handgun. It’s an interesting read. The consensus is that bear spray works, except for when it doesn’t. Then it’s over with. I think the sum of all opinions was that a 12 gauge loaded with slugs would be the best defense. 

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Semi autos get picky, if you are going to carry for bear defense you need to carry hard cast lead.  If you are going to carry a pistol with hard cast shoot plenty of loads through it before you go to be sure it cycles it reliably.  As far as 15 rounds go, if the first 2 dont stop him use number three on yourself you wont get many more shots than that anyways.

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