I have a pair of Tiburons that have lasted 10 years, they are trashed but I keep milking them along to justify a 130$ pair of pants. the new tiburons suck IMO because they don't fit the same as the original pants did, they are more like skinny jeans, and they barely go over my calves and boots. Can't beat old school BDU pants they are every bit as good as any big money clothing outfit out there. Most people do not use those high dollar designer hunting pants to there potential, its mostly a status symbol. People fought wars in BDU pants you don't see the military wearing KUIU, first lite, or Sitka, BDU pants will last longer and the animals dont care what your clothes are anyways.