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if they enforced the laws on the books already and didnt give out 4 billion in tax refunds to illegals they wouldnt come and we wouldnt need a wall. but they dont

Add to the list. Eliminate government hand outs

I work frequently with DHS & CBP. Yes. We need a giant, physical wall...and more agents.

Your poll needs a D. all of the above option.

Stiffen the laws? They already have plenty of laws that aren't enforced. What is adding more regulation, laws, etc... going to do?

Well if YOU didn’t see them with piles of dudes i guess the borders safe then

My son has amazed me twice. Once in his deer and yesterday on a pig. Saw them running at 100 yards so I asked him if he could shoot 275 and he just gave it the yep. One shot drop on a big ol boar. Also had my younger son along for the hunt along with some friends. Great day!

My name is Brian Rhoton I was the "A3" hunter referred to in this post, I have not been on this website in years but was made aware that there is some controversy on this site and guess facebook over the giant buck that Tol killed with DA outfitter's. I don't have and will never have a facebook account so l am on here to clear up all the FAKE NEWS that seems to be circulating the web. I have spot read through the 14 pages of posts here so i don't know exactly what all has been said but got the general idea I think. Here is what happened I got a call on the Saturday morning prior to the buck being killed from my brother who is an owner at A3, he had been contacted by Ben Brochu about a large buck he had found while archery hunting that morning, he had almost killed the buck with his bow and had got good video in the process. I looked at the video and was immediately interested in the buck. I could not make it down that day as I was on the Navajo reservation watching my daughter play basketball but was able to talk to Ben. I could not hunt the following days because of a daughter getting a surgery until thursday the following week. My brother and I showed up on Thursday morning met ben, one of bens friends and one of chads friends who wanted to help hunt the big deer. Ben had been able to keep track of the deer every day except for the prior day in which they did not see the deer. Ben spread everyone out to different glassing points and we all went to look for the buck. From the first video I had seen of the buck I was concerned that the deer was a hybrid, the concern arose from the location of the deer and the lack of whitetail in the area, obviously the size of the deer as it is huge both antler and body, and the general look of the deer in the video. Obviously I was willing to take the chance that once killed the deer might be a hybrid, I was fine with that fact as I believe anyone in their right mind would be. After about an hour of glassing in the morning I glassed a deer up at the edge of the mountain and the flats and immediately told Ben I have a whitetail, we had seen allot of mule deer that morning and this deer defiantly looked to be a whitetail. Once the buck cleared some brush it was immediately clear it was him, the buck is giant. To make a long story short we lost the buck midday and did not get him killed on Thursday. Friday morning we went back to same side of the ridge we glassed the buck from and sent another guy to the other side. The guy on the other side radio and said he had glassed up a pile of mule deer does with several mule deer bucks and one smaller buck with a whitetail rutting the does, about 5 min later he let us know the large buck had joined the party. Ben, my brother and myself immediately began to relocate to the ridge directly above the deer, while on route to the deer we got a call from the spotter asking us if we had just pulled up in our truck under him on the knob he was on we said no. About 5 min later he called and said it was Duwane Adams and that he had the raffle hunter what should he do, we asked him to let Duwane know that we had the buck located and were moving in to kill the deer. Duwane asked which deer he was told and he said they were two deer and they would look for the other one. In the meantime the rutting party broke up with a few bucks heading up the ridge and the big buck heading downhill to the flats where everything bedded up. Duwane and his crew and our spotter started glassing together and we made it up to the top of our knob. When we got up on the know Duwane did call Ben and asked for prices on two sets of 15s, Ben told him he would talk to him later after we got the buck killed. We quickly picked up the group of deer 500 or so yards below us most were bedded and started trying to find the buck as our spotter had lost track of it while talking with Duwane and his crew. We were not concerned at all about Duwane and his hunter as we believed the buck was with the does right below us about 1200 yards from the knob everyone else was on. It was flat desert between us and our spotter and Duwane with his guys and 1300 yds. After some time i glassed over to our spotter and Duwane and saw a mad panick going on our spotter called and said the buck popped up 300 yds below us they want to shoot it what do you want me to do right then the buck bedded. The buck had worked to 1000 yds from me and 300 yards from them and bedded, we told him do nothing if they are really going to shoot help them out, hopefully their hunter can't shoot, we can't shoot from here the buck is bedded behind brush. After a few shots the buck was dead. We made our way over to the buck helped them set the buck up for pictures and had some great conversations. Tol is a great guy, I could not be more happy for him he first drew a tag of several lifetimes and than sealed the deal on a buck of several lifetimes. We all went our separate ways as while there was obviously some upset feelings everyone there felt it was not worth ruining a great hunting experience for Tol. A few hours later I believe a few phone calls were made between DA and Ben and some of the others that were in the field expressing some frustration as to how the whole situation came about. A few clarifications, some in-site and thoughts i had while spot reading this threat. 1. I feel the worst for Ben, he pulled off archery hunting the deer because I was interested in hunting and killing it. He is the one that "lost" the most in this situation with not continuing to hunt a once in a lifetime buck and waiting on me to show up. Many will say that he made the choice and can live with the consequesces True that doesn't mean consequences don't suck. 2. I regret not killing the deer, I would have been excited and had decided to shoot the deer even though I suspected as did most that knew of the deer that it was a hybrid. After looking at its glands and such I believe if DNA tested it would be considered a hybrid. That deer was the "bird in the hand" every other giant i know of is tough to locate. 3. I have been shown or told about several deer just this year that are similar in score to this deer, none of them as close to as easy to relocate, but each of them have been shown to me by at least 2 people or I know of at least 2 people that know about the deer. I know this deer was know and seen by a minimum of 3 different groups of hunters this year. Giant coues deer have to have significant age, i was fortunate to also have the auction tag last year, the buck I killed last year has been same size or bigger for 5 years prior to killing, he had to be at least 4 or 5 years old when he was first located by the guide that showed me the deer which means the deer was at least 10 years old, I suspect he was close to 12. It is hard for a giant buck to remain a secret there are allot of years to locate a buck in his prime with allot of hunters that have great glassing skills, high tech backpacking equipment that lets them get to remote locations and stay much easier than 10 years ago, improved hunting sills combined with the use of trail cameras and its hard for those bucks to make it unseen like they used to be. On a side note the buck I killed last year had the opportunity to create a lot of drama between mutual friends as both parties had significant time watching the deer year to year, no drama made the hunt. 4. There have been several posts about people glad that the raffle guy killed and I did not because I bought the tag, i agree completely with those comments. Tol is a great guy that got lucky and drew a great tag and killed a smoker buck. 5. While big bucks are not necessarily a secret they are tough to find. I have probably spent more time and $ in the field than the majority of people trying to locate a truly giant deer and have never personally found a deer I thought was giant. Biggest I have found on my own and killed is 128" typical; I have seen plenty of 120 and 130 inch deer but never a true freak. I know those that have found multiple true giants, my hat goes off to them. If some believe me to be a "sell out" or not a "true hunter" because I decide to go and hunt a deer someone else found and compensate them for it I don't care, I will continue to do it. If you got a deer I would be interested in hit me up lets go hunting. 6. The number one problem with hunting is that we all love it and obsess about it to death, so much that that many hunters invest all, some invest most and most invest a substantial portion of $, time and energy into it. When things don't go our way it pisses us off. Just like it would with anything that means a great deal to us including our families, work or any other hobby. 7. When the result of one hunter or group of hunters success results in the failure of the other hunter or group of hunters it naturally creates great conflict in most situations and any flaw in the opposing parties actions is naturally attacked. I was happy that there was no conflict in the field everyone acted in a professional matter congratulations were given even though it was a tough situation everyone left on good terms. Personal person to person calls were made a few hours later so that opinions could be expressed. I think the internet has made that conflict and ease of attack worse than ever before. 8. This site is drama city, I have heard facebook is too and many other internet sites. Everyone get over it, its just a deer they are a renewable resource others will grow hopefully bigger. 9. Name me one person that has not made a mistake in the field, in life, at work or anywhere. Crap happens we all make mistakes, especially in the heat of the moment. Did Duwane make a mistake, who the heck cares, no one has a spotless reputation and everyone has a different perspective. I don't care about spelling or grammar. This will be my only post.

Staring this topic to get back to what's important, our young hunters and there success and priceless stories with there parents or mentors. I going out in the morning with my precious little 10yr old grand daughter, the beginning of many precious stories and memories. I'm inviting everyone to post there stories of this yrs season. Good luck to all the young ones . And remember this is the best time to teach them hunting ethics and safety, no bad habits. Can't wait to see the out come

E-verfy, armored helicopters flying the border, motion sensors, severe penalties for all criminals, In other words whatever it takes to keep criminals out of our country. And if farmers want some workers then apply to immigration as to how many they want, how long they stay, post a bond, insure them, and be responsible or them when in our country. Any crimes including parking tickets, spitting on the side walk, etc.,committed by illegals in a sanctuary city and not reported to INS will be a felony on the officer , mayor and council, board of supervisors, priest, etc. Anyone harbouring illegals will have their building sold and proceeds go to building more prisons. In other words get serious. I am sure there could more added to the list.

Had her 5-30yards 4 times during archery season but just could not get it done. Bow hunting is hard,bow hunting with a 10year old is really hard lol

Just want to leave this here...couldn't help but think about what ol Fred would have thought about all this drama!

A month before the season, I found this matching set of drop antlers in a wash, about 250 yards apart. I shot this buck about 1.5-2 miles north of where I found the drop antlers. Personally, I think there is a lot of similarities between them. Just curious if you guys think this is the same buck or not. Thanks.

Sorry my phone is probably on silent so I missed the text. Indian Health Service is a federal agency under HHS. (Not all of HHS was funded during the shutdown...I guess we were the unlucky ones.) We provide healthcare on Indian reservations across the country. Lots of IHS folks have been taking care of patients throughout the shutdown without pay.

If there wasn’t a chance of getting a big one, I wouldn’t even hunt. The possibility of getting a giant is the only thing that makes hunting interesting to me. I never get the big ones, but I like to try. Beef tastes way better

I hope that I never get to the stage where the horns take the fun out of hunting. Just a personal opinion on the matter.

I found it was easier to just get married.

I was at Luna lake on Monday ice was 4-6 inches thick depending on where you are on the lake. I’m assuming there is more ice on sunrise and other Rez lakes being that there a higher elevation. Fish where biting on corn and worms about 20 feet of the shore by the boat dock or by the ramp! Fish about a foot of the bottom! Fish are big and healthy in Luna!

Is this a high breed?

Before I posted I read his paper on hybrids actually for a refresher. Where the the glands located and what "biologists" looked at them? I'm not saying this deer is not a hybrid as I haven't seen it but the hybrid BS is sooooo overused erroneously. heck I've got acquaintences who glass up 10 hybrids a year....grin...

Man, great deal... rough crowd. Looks like a fun toy.

Here is my set up so far. I still need a funnel and a brass powder measuring device. Anything else you guys recommend?

Thank you very much! I was not aware that I needed a specific breach plug for blackhorn 209. After reading your post I researched it. Apparently I can use the stock breach plug, but the BH breach improves accuracy. I already bought some 209 so I will order the breach plug as well. Thanks again!

AZ Killer- I'm not even sure what you mean by shenanigans but I assume you are trying to bait me into some sort of public argument. I have talked openly about the hunt on my podcast in episode 229. You can choose to listen or not I don't really care. If you are asking about Brian Rimsza? I would tell you he is doing fine as I talk to him about every other day or so. The money that was raised on that tag will prove to be essential with the huge die off we are witnessing in our Nelsoni herds. trophyhntr- I am not sure if your post is directed at me or AZ Killa. For the record, Darr and I believed the sheep was between 180 and 185 depending on bases and length. That is exactly what he was. There was never a time that we believed the ram could exceed 185. We believe the sheep that was harvested is the most unique ram to ever be harvested by a hunter in the state of Arizona. The hunt was guided by a partnership between Colburn and Scott Outfitters and Arizona Desert Outfitters. Our hunter bought the tag and we chose to include ADO because they had past history of trail cams of the ram. We felt like including ADO gave our client the best opportunity to harvest the ram. It turned out our hunch was correct. If anyone has questions or concerns about the hunt I can be reached at 602-803-0223 or by email at jayscottoutdoors@gmail.com.