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feral horses all over heck, over abundance of lions, and ya'll are talking about cattle.

remember this is a public forum and 10,000 other people can read the same thing and go there...send pm on stuff like this

Suspect Rimneighbors.org is a wanna be CBD. Being your group is so concerned about an application to open a grazing allotment, what is your stance on feral horses on the rim ............ Cattle grazing is a controlled process, USFS generally is very protective of critical habitat (especially allotments that have been retired). If all the info your site identifies is true, the forest service will not approve increased grazing.

Really? Is that where we are, we cannot even say what directions road come from or name a road with access?

All roads into this unit come off highway 286 and head west into the babos. Drive back until you can hike up into some elevation and glass. You’ll find deer. If you’re looking for something big at that time of year find a thick thick thick hill and stare at it the whole hunt. You’d be amazed what some of those hills can hide.

No powerlines...

Stopped in this afternoon to have a my sons bow set up for me. Great customer service.

Up sale is a lightly used Weatherby Vanguard Hog Reaper in .243. Shot 21 times, very accurate with factory 95gr ballistic tips, 3/4” groups all day, comes with DNZ Game Reaper 1 piece rings/base, also comes with 19 rounds and 21 spent casings, $530 shipped, PayPal F&F or USPS money order, located in Queen Creek, AZ

I am betting swivel is close to correct. these groups always complain the sky is falling and that they are hunters and fishermen, but yet you never see them give there name in full or even partially on there own website. so who are these clowns?

As already stated...all the roads come in from 286 on the eastern boundary of the unit. The western boundary is reservation and the line basically runs along the top of the mountain range. I’d recommend driving past all the flats and up into the canyons for coues. The steeper the better and consider getting a lion tag too...good luck and have fun! Stats book...look for the latest copy of Hunt Arizona on the AZGFD website. Lots of stats there for draw and success rates among other things.

I guess we shouldn’t talk about the 350+ bulls near Elkhorn Ranch either.

I hate running into cattle on hunts and with all the attention Unit 23 gets on forums and podcasts, etc, adding more cattle seems like the last thing the unit needs.

Not great quality....but off my deck this am at daybreak.

Got a new CVA Optima V2 50 cal.with the Nitride barrel shoots 1"-1.5" with 100 grs by volume blackhorn 209 barnes 290 gr TMZ sabot. With that moa I'm good out to 200 yrds. Don't need sub MOA with a muzzleloader for hunting. If your shooting 2" moa at a 100yrds you POI at 300 yrds is 6" which is in the kill zone of any big game. At 250 yrds 95% of muzzleloaders have already run out of enough velocity to open the bullet and energy needed for a clean kill . The new CVA Muzzleloaders are really nice muzzleloaders. Easy to clean and maintain and shoot as good as any other muzzleloader that cost twice as much or more. If you really want a longrange muzzleloader (300 yrds +) be ready to spend a lot of money!!

Not current but may be cool to see. Here is my '16 Coues as he progressed through July. And on opening day.

Baby steps 😂😂😂

That's a lot of hashtags..

It was out of 23 south.

Best archery shop in the valley. Never had anything but above and beyond service there.

Definitely a great shop!!

I figured you’d chime in eventually a hole...Is your old lady going to let you come? I’ve already got my hall pass signed. Hahahahaha

You can thank social media for this all over the west... Randy Newberg, Hushpuppies & Steve Rinella just to name a few...

I had this hunt in 2010 but I didn't hunt on YPG. Lots of good country on public land and refuge to hunt too. Congratulations and Good Luck!

I have a stop sign right there.

I'm going to throw in my $0.02 on the topic. I used to be an awful glasser. I couldn't ever find squat. I took Duwane Adams glassing class and it really opened my eyes as to what to look for, and really just how to go about it. Ever since, I've started glassing up bedded deer, and overall finding a lot more game. First, I will say you need quality glass, and you need to have your binos setup on a tripod. No tripod, no deer. Period. In the AM you need to be glassing the south/southeast facing slopes. Get in position about 30-45 minutes before first light and be ready. Use a grid pattern and start glassing the hillsides. Once you find a deer, if it's not exactly what you're looking for, move on. You can always come back to it to see what it's doing and where it's going. Once the sun is up and you can feel it starting to warm up, it's time to move. you need to get in a position you can glass the North/Northwest facing slopes. It's really a pain in the butt glassing the north facing slopes with the sun in your face. It's hot, it's difficult, and it's tedious. Remember though that that's where the deer are at that time of day. No doubt about it. Most hunters are unsuccessful because they're glassing areas where there are no deer (south facing slopes in the afternoon). This is because glassing the south facing slopes is easy. There's not much growth and it's just not difficult. While glassing the north facing slopes, use the grid pattern and pick the hillside apart. Look in areas that would be hosting deer such as shadows, shade of trees, etc. Typically deer are not in the open once the sun is up. Think of it this way, God gave the deer a warm winter parka to keep them warm in temperatures into the negatives. If you were wearing a huge winter parka, would you want to be somewhere where the sun is directly hitting you? NO! Same with the deer. Finally, the one thing that was really shocking to me when I first started located deer on the north facing slopes in the afternoon is this: From what I've seen, deer don't bed down for long periods of time, and not all deer are bedded down in the afternoon not moving. When glassing North facing slopes, I'd say the majority of deer I find are bedded down, then will get up and walk to the shade of the next tree, then bed down there for another 15 minutes, then get up and do it again. They'll just walk around in the shade of the trees throughout the day, randomly bedding down, munching on some grass, etc. The one constant I have found is that they are always in the shade. ALWAYS! Finally, it's important that you have the correct angle at the shadows. Try to get straight on with the shadow, have them going from the treetops to directly toward you. As the sun moves throughout the day, adjust to the shadows. This will give you the best opportunity to find the deer in the shadows. Also, one thing I think a little differently than most is this; if you've picked apart a hillside for some time (say you've covered it 2-3 times) and found no deer, you probably won't find them if you try again. The binoculars don't lie. It's best to try a different angle at the same hillside to give you a different perspective, or simply move to a different hill. I hope this helps give you a bit of a different perspective.